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1 hour ago, valefan16 said:


In all fairness we got a quarter of those goals in just three games which made it a bit lob sided, if you add in the two 4-3 defeats then we got only 37 in 41 other games.

That said we weren’t defending as well for most of the season and we still have attack minded players such as Conlon, Politic and hopefully a decent fourth striker to come in this time and seem more organised at the back.

"If you take away goals we actually scored, we didn't score many!"

I get your point and I'm being disingenuous but when DC came in we had one of the worst defences in the worst professional football league in the country, in terms of goals conceded. He's really sorted it out. 

Eventually one of these will bounce inside a post instead of outside and people's views will change. The chances are there. 

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Third visit here. 

Previous two were wars of attrition. In fairness I think they are a changed outfit since Revell took over. He's done an excellent job . 

Going to be a difficult game, just think taking the lead would do wonders for our confidence. Are they on the rebound from the thrashing at Bradford , either way a point isn't to be sniffed at but with FGR next week to come we need to get a win from one of them . 

I'll be positive and say 0-1 . 

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17 minutes ago, valiant steve said:

I think it's pretty obvious that we need to sign a striker of Pope's calibre, a player who takes the chances when they come along! 

It’s getting silly now !! It’s like teenage girls when take that split !!!

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I am expecting nothing from the Stevenage game or the Forest Green game. Both Tranmere and Carlisle looked like teams who could have beaten us, that free header for Tranmere towards the end should have been a goal, we were lucky that they are not up to speed yet. Carlisle had that break away when they were four on one and should have scored. Our only similar moment was the Amoo chance and then he was not in the best position to score. I know we are hoping that the players will gel, early days, any cliches you like really but considering that we have supposedly recruited based on stats and this is largely Clarkes team I am not seeing any great signs of us being a great team. We have some good individual players but that doesn't always make a good team, look at England in the Gerard, Lampard days for example. 

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14 minutes ago, Rampant Zebra said:

I am expecting nothing from the Stevenage game or the Forest Green game. Both Tranmere and Carlisle looked like teams who could have beaten us, that free header for Tranmere towards the end should have been a goal, we were lucky that they are not up to speed yet. Carlisle had that break away when they were four on one and should have scored. Our only similar moment was the Amoo chance and then he was not in the best position to score. I know we are hoping that the players will gel, early days, any cliches you like really but considering that we have supposedly recruited based on stats and this is largely Clarkes team I am not seeing any great signs of us being a great team. We have some good individual players but that doesn't always make a good team, look at England in the Gerard, Lampard days for example. 

Contradictory. We were lucky they are not up to speed you say 

Tranmere and Carlisle were lucky we aren't up to speed also or we'd beat them both . 

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3 minutes ago, cactuselves said:

A few thoughts:

He is being mentioned in every thread, but he is gone and it was time to move on. There will be more discussion on here when everyone has had time to listen to his views on the podcast and I'm certain that lots of people will get the hump with DF and DC over it. 

Lets just remember that as of Jan *MAJOR* changes were needed at the club, it was time for a new broom and the new manager has to think about the future, not the past. I LOVE Tom Pope, he is a vale legend, but I also think we will all feel the same about DC in a few years time.

In the performances so far this season we have looked solid, I was never really worried about the opposition scoring in the two home league games (apart from the 4 v 1 against Carlise which was an anomaly) and we were playing against some very good L2 opposition. Carlisle had to throw everything at it to get a point. Even with 10 men at Northampton we looked solid. 

The manager has basically bought in a new squad, only 4 of the starters vs Carlisle and Bradford were here last season, settling a squad down *TAKES TIME* we have played three, only conceded one and have created 5th most chances in the league, have a really high expected goals ratio and hit the woodwork 4 times in the last two games. Goals will come.

3-5-2 gets panned because people think it doesn't play to Worrall's strengths. But I thought against Carlisle Worrall had loads of opportunities to affect the game in the attacking third, it just didn't come off for him and the forwards weren't always on the same wavelength (which is a thing that will come with time). DC knows what he is doing, the system keeps us solid which is absolutely the most important thing when building confidence with a new team, and we can create chances using that system as the facts prove. 

In the last two games, Conlon and Taylor were not available so our middle three were a little more defensive, with one of those two in there, we can create even more chances and also link between the midfield and forwards better.

DC changes systems throughout the season, so we'll see alternatives to 3-5-2.

With the new players, Jones and Walker have especially impressed. Pett has looked a steady addition, Covolan looks a good keeper to me.

Wilson has obvious talent with the ball at his feet, needs confidence. Proctor also looks a lot better with the ball at his feet than I expected, if anything I was hoping he was a bit more physical. Garrity is a runner, full of effort and is clearly Walkers back up but is playing because of injuries - he'll be a good player to bring off the bench with that energy later in the season. The jury is out on Benning for me, he looks really unfit and didnt look like he wanted to run down the line with the ball at any point in the two home games - has a good left foot but needs to bring more energy to that position which has affected our balance. 

So - for me, I would  go 3-4-3 vs Stevenage and bring Politic in for Benning, Move Rodders to the left of the three (where he is massively more affective) and bring Wilson back in for Proctor. The left hand side of Rodders, Politic, Jones would cause all sorts of problems and Worrall is always going to create chances.

Could easily then switch to 3-5-2 with the same personnel to tighten things up a bit more.

UTV - it'll come.

 

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Thought we had a poacher in Taylor with his early games, perhaps he can recapture his fitness and zip? With Conlon missing too it leaves us short of goals, so hoping for a cameo from Politic.

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41 minutes ago, darren1810 said:

Contradictory. We were lucky they are not up to speed you say 

Tranmere and Carlisle were lucky we aren't up to speed also or we'd beat them both . 

My point was that they both looked like a team which was a bit early season rusty whereas we don't look like a team yet. We are obviously playing catch up with our new broom approach, it remains to be seen if we are in the race or if everyone else will be several laps ahead by the time we gel. 

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1 hour ago, Rampant Zebra said:

I am expecting nothing from the Stevenage game or the Forest Green game. Both Tranmere and Carlisle looked like teams who could have beaten us, that free header for Tranmere towards the end should have been a goal, we were lucky that they are not up to speed yet. Carlisle had that break away when they were four on one and should have scored. Our only similar moment was the Amoo chance and then he was not in the best position to score. I know we are hoping that the players will gel, early days, any cliches you like really but considering that we have supposedly recruited based on stats and this is largely Clarkes team I am not seeing any great signs of us being a great team. We have some good individual players but that doesn't always make a good team, look at England in the Gerard, Lampard days for example. 

There’s no way on this earth that you can honestly believe that we were “lucky” not to lose against Tranmere or Carlisle.

Forget missed headers, we’ve missed decent headed chances ourselves, the closest you can come to a goal without actually scoring is to hit the woodwork and it’s not been “lucky” for us that those 4 chances have all stayed out.

Carlisle fluffed their breakaway not due to any great luck on our part, simply it was poor finishing, and I would say great credit to Jones for the way he defended the situation.

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16 minutes ago, Guitar Ray said:

There’s no way on this earth that you can honestly believe that we were “lucky” not to lose against Tranmere or Carlisle.

Forget missed headers, we’ve missed decent headed chances ourselves, the closest you can come to a goal without actually scoring is to hit the woodwork and it’s not been “lucky” for us that those 4 chances have all stayed out.

Carlisle fluffed their breakaway not due to any great luck on our part, simply it was poor finishing, and I would say great credit to Jones for the way he defended the situation.

Watching that 4 on 1 breakaway again you’re absolutely right about Jones. Did really well not to commit too early so well done to him.

It’s ridiculous for anyone to say we were lucky to draw those games. Just looking at Carlisle there was the free header from Garrity, hitting the woodwork a couple of times, Walker having a half chance off a corner, one cleared off the line and Rodney not deciding to shoot rather than take on their whole team. 

 

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19 hours ago, valefan16 said:


Who do you drop though? Worrall you can’t really. Take Benning off you lose the wing back role so would need 4-4-2 or a 4-3-3 for it I guess.

If you are playing wingers you don't need wing backs.

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6 hours ago, valeblue said:

It’s getting silly now !! It’s like teenage girls when take that split !!!

I accept Pope's gone. I'm unhappy that he hasn't been replaced with a better player. I'll be delighted if Wilson or Proctor prove me to be wrong. 

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