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14 minutes ago, Biddulph_PV said:

The first 4 games have resulted in more questions than DC currently has answers for.

Play 3 CB’s including Legge and we don’t concede goals. Play 2 and we get murdered as Legge doesn’t have the pace.

Play 3 CB’s and Worrall - are best attacking outlet for the last 2 seasons is ineffective - likewise Amoo who can be another game-changer.

Rodney is the most likely forward to score, but again ineffective in a 532 variant. With a two up top, Wilson and Proctor seem a more natural combo, but neither offer the goal scoring threat Rodney does when played as a wide forward. 

The midfield is the real interesting one. No creativity without Conlon, no real pace or guile, just nice tidy players one keep things ticking over.

So we either play two more defensively-minded CM’s in a 442 with two wide men - Worrall and Amoo which means potentially Rodney misses out - or if 433 then have Pett, Walker and Garrity which means you need a front three of Worrall, Proctor and Amoo or Rodney meaning Wilson (arguably our marque signing so far) misses out. And that also completely ignores Politic who looks quite exciting if we can get him fit, and Hurst who has been unfairly written off IMHO. Plus Jake Taylor who I feel would actually thrive on this current 532, frustratingly.

All this AND we are talking about getting another striker. 

So this is why I’m critical of the new methodology so far, it almost feels like we have too many options at the moment. The best team we had in recent memory was 2012/13 when it was almost formed by default, rigid 4-4-1-1 and everyone knew their respective roles.

The irony is that if we’d have taken just a couple of our chances then we wouldn’t be having this conversation.  But we haven’t.  So we are. 😳

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2 minutes ago, Guitar Ray said:

Both points you make will obviously depend on the judgement of the individual.  I may see it as arrogance whereas you may say it’s confidence.  We all draw our own line in the sand.

What I would say though is that some folk have double standards.  These are the fans who criticised Askey for being boring, lacking passion, but don’t like it now we’ve got a guy who’s just the opposite.

As ever, results on the park will dictate more than anything how any manager will be remembered longer term.

Excellent points. 

Both Aspin and Askey could talk a glass eye to sleep. We also had barmy Brown with his 10 cup finals fighting talk. 

Clarke is prickly for sure and ruffles feathers but all that will be water under the bridge once we start winning games. 

Players win games not formations. It was clear that second half we were a different animal and I'm not banging the drum for him playing 5-3-2 or whatever it's dressed up as . 

But I do think he's right that the shape was set up right. It was just the majority of players with the odd exception couldn't pass the ball , control the ball or do any of the basics. What wasn't right was Worrall was a lost sheep in that system. 

I'm trying to stay positive it is difficult we all want to be where FGR are and it's possible next Saturday night the league table could look grim reading. 

Doesn't get any easier either Rochdale at home , Swindon is usually zero points and they perhaps aren't the basket case we thought. Harrogate will park the bus and Scunthorpe another generally unhappy hunting ground. 

So let's hope that we click very soon. 

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22 minutes ago, Biddulph_PV said:

So this is why I’m critical of the new methodology so far, it almost feels like we have too many options at the moment. The best team we had in recent memory was 2012/13 when it was almost formed by default, rigid 4-4-1-1 and everyone knew their respective roles.

It's just the way football is. What failed last time? Okay we'll do the opposite next time! Askey was good when plan A worked but no plan B, and players could down tools. So we get Clarke who has a plan A,B,C,D and will lay into players if they're shirking. Journeymen players failed so get rid of them and sign 'hungry' young players from the league below.

Hopefully Clarke will get it right. If not then hopefully the next bloke will. That's just football.

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Having watched the game this morning, I'm a bit surprised at the general negativity.

First half was poor, but even so, we weren't carved open.

Most chances were our mistakes.

Second half was thoroughly entertaining.

All players looking good and doing their bit, with Jones and Woz outstanding.

Pace was higher, passing crisper, crossing superb.

We should have won, and need to score when so dominant.

 

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4 minutes ago, philmpv said:

Where do the Sentinel get their stats from? Has us down as committing 6 fouls. We conceded 12 fouls in the first half alone!

6 actual fouls :laugh:

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48 minutes ago, Biddulph_PV said:

The first 4 games have resulted in more questions than DC currently has answers for.

Play 3 CB’s including Legge and we don’t concede goals. Play 2 and we get murdered as Legge doesn’t have the pace.

I agree with most your post but not this part. We hardly played a back four this season so the jury’s out on this one as is who would be our best CB pairing if we played this system.

The only time we been ‘murdered’ this season was in the first half yesterday and we were playing three centre halves then.

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Typical Vale fans looking at pessimism rather than giving the squad a chance. We've only played 4 league games ffs.

Only the wind ups or seriously mentally challenged fail to accept that we have a massively better balanced and proficient squad now. Time will allow us to gel properly. Our players will get used to the systems and better themselves as the season progresses. Those fans ready to slit their wrists at this early stage honestly need to take a step back and calm down!

I've endured season after season of heartache supporting my team and do realise that it's difficult to get out of ruts but with Carol et all in charge I am more than confident we will see success soon and the mighty whites will bring progress and satisfaction to us all.

Support the Club please. Allow some reflection on what we are trying to do. Patience is paramount and it will reap it's awards. Be true Valiants. Keep the Faith. 

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6 minutes ago, ken williams said:

Typical Vale fans looking at pessimism rather than giving the squad a chance. We've only played 4 league games ffs.

Only the wind ups or seriously mentally challenged fail to accept that we have a massively better balanced and proficient squad now. Time will allow us to gel properly. Our players will get used to the systems and better themselves as the season progresses. Those fans ready to slit their wrists at this early stage honestly need to take a step back and calm down!

I've endured season after season of heartache supporting my team and do realise that it's difficult to get out of ruts but with Carol et all in charge I am more than confident we will see success soon and the mighty whites will bring progress and satisfaction to us all.

Support the Club please. Allow some reflection on what we are trying to do. Patience is paramount and it will reap it's awards. Be true Valiants. Keep the Faith. 

joe biden has spoken

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Just watched the  highlights on here they do not show all the Vale chances in second half but i will say this, Covalan was he playing on his own first half he as made a fair few saves there our players were so off the pace judging by the highlights it was Stevenage v Covalan and he was brilliant the free kicks a joke them in the wall need grow some gonads and block the shot .

 

 

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Having watched the game this morning, I'm a bit surprised at the general negativity.
First half was poor, but even so, we weren't carved open.
Most chances were our mistakes.
Second half was thoroughly entertaining.
All players looking good and doing their bit, with Jones and Woz outstanding.
Pace was higher, passing crisper, crossing superb.
We should have won, and need to score when so dominant.
 
That's pretty much Daryls take. Shape wasnt too bad but we kept messing up individually.

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6 actual fouls :laugh:

I’ve never seen us give away so many fouls , the players were making mistakes but they just didn’t look comfortable in the shape and it should of been ditched after 20 minutes

Covolan was causing his own problems and looked a complete liability , he has to improve quickly

I’m not impressed so far but it’s very early days and we need to give them time but 2 goals in 5 games is not a good look and we might need to bring in more than one striker or attacking player
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2 hours ago, Ron C said:

I don't think anyone could seriously be wanting them sacked, as we stand.

My issue is that DC has come out with some astonishing rubbish, blaming everyone else but himself. I found his excuses last year laughable and fit only for children or people who have never really been involved with football.

This season, he has spoken more. I see through his rubbish. It irritates me that others drink it up. All managers/coaches spin to some extent. His is classless and shameless blame shifting.

I agree he talks rubbish, but I don’t particularly care what he’s like in interviews tbh, I imagine he’s not saying the same thing to the players.

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1 hour ago, SFBT said:

Having watched the game this morning, I'm a bit surprised at the general negativity.

First half was poor, but even so, we weren't carved open.

Most chances were our mistakes.

Second half was thoroughly entertaining.

All players looking good and doing their bit, with Jones and Woz outstanding.

Pace was higher, passing crisper, crossing superb.

We should have won, and need to score when so dominant.

 

With respect, it's Stevenage. And we shouldn't have won the game, a draw was a fair result over the 90 minutes.

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