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What we all know and have known for years is that we need a regular scoring forward. Ok Rodney is favourite but Clarke wants 2 front runners and those in our squad will not prove to be consistent scorers. Goals are needed to cement Vale's undoubted solid midfield squad. Today was frustrating. A draw would have been ok. Even with 10 players we we were not outplayed or out fought. The team will gel in time. I also echo what the majority have said in that Wozza has to play on the wing. We lost but I could not accept what some were mouthing off at the end in that they will not attend away games again and the manager is crap! It was the first match ffs. Back the Club, like Carol is and we will get it right. This division is wide open.

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By playing Worrall at RWB you are sacrificing his game for the sake of the team. It was OK in the short term last season but you need a system that plays to your strengths, and Worrall is one of our key creative and attacking players.

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2 hours ago, Rory said:
2 hours ago, valiant_593 said:
Been saying it all pre season. I get gibbo is injured. We’ve signed cass, play either him or smith there and let Worrall stay up top where he hurts teams at this level. 

Play Worrall where? He'd have to bin this daft system.

That is the problem. I dont see our midfield three AND Worrall in the same team. D C will not change the midfield three for a few games yet i dont think

 Not enough exciting play created and plenty of goals need to come from the two up front.

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By playing Worrall at RWB you are sacrificing his game for the sake of the team. It was OK in the short term last season but you need a system that plays to your strengths, and Worrall is one of our key creative and attacking players.
Spot on. It seems to me to be a reactive outlook when, with the players we've now got, surely we should be looking at a proactive approach. Smacks of Aspin all over again, set up not to lose then, invariably, lose. When you set up defensively, if you concede first, generally you have to then adopt a whole new approach mid game, whereas it should be much easier to react to a setback when youre already set up to take the front foot.
That said, DC obviously knows a lot more than me about all things football!
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The problem with Covolan coming so far out is that if he doesn’t get some distance on his clearance, or find a Vale player with a pass, he’s always going to struggle to get back between the sticks.  As it was, a bad touch, he’s lost the ball and bingo.  It’s one thing sweeping up but another thing altogether over committing.

Stone looked fine in the friendlies and for me he’s a far steadier option.

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6 minutes ago, Sandyford_Lion said:

That is the problem. I dont see our midfield three AND Worrall in the same team. D C will not change the midfield three for a few games yet i dont think

 Not enough exciting play created and plenty of goals need to come from the two up front.

I think he fits into a 433

                     Stone

Cass       Smith   Martin   Benning

       Conlon  Walker    Pett

Worrall         Wilson       Rodney 

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4 minutes ago, Guitar Ray said:

The problem with Covolan coming so far out is that if he doesn’t get some distance on his clearance, or find a Vale player with a pass, he’s always going to struggle to get back between the sticks.  As it was, a bad touch, he’s lost the ball and bingo.  It’s one thing sweeping up but another thing altogether over committing.

Stone looked fine in the friendlies and for me he’s a far steadier option.

Hes not had the greatest start to his vale career but im not writing him off just yet everyone makes mistakes and unfortunately as a goalkeeper mistakes are highlighted more because they normally result in a goal/penalty or something like today and him being sent off. It's unfortunate to happen in his first game but hopefully he bounces back from it and shows us that he is more than capable at this level. Yes he's probably cost us any chance of getting something today but theres a lot of games for him to make it up

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1 minute ago, Vale1995 said:

Hes not had the greatest start to his vale career but im not writing him off just yet everyone makes mistakes and unfortunately as a goalkeeper mistakes are highlighted more because they normally result in a goal/penalty or something like today and him being sent off. It's unfortunate to happen in his first game but hopefully he bounces back from it and shows us that he is more than capable at this level. Yes he's probably cost us any chance of getting something today but theres a lot of games for him to make it up

Massively frustrating as I was singing his praises first half for his ability to sweep up, claims crosses and set up attacks. Big learning curve, bit I’m backing him to bounce back. 

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1 minute ago, Boslem's Brazil said:

Massively frustrating as I was singing his praises first half for his ability to sweep up, claims crosses and set up attacks. Big learning curve, bit I’m backing him to bounce back. 

Your praises may still be justified, hes made one mistake i wont be judging him before ive seen more of him

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I think Covvers looks like a technically sound goalkeeper but man, he needs to calm the F down.

Put some Joao Gilberto records on and do some mindfulness exercises, mate.

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2 hours ago, Boslem's Brazil said:

But then won’t we moaning we are only playing one striker? 

Not necessarily BB, four at the back always seems the best starting option to me and then play any system of the 6 out field players in front of them adjusting on the go, it's such a flexible, fluid and balanced system, eg 4-3-3, 4-4-2 or 4-5-1, 4-1-3-2 etc. 

With 4 at the back it's possible to play/form strong "units" who can dovetail down both wings as Alf Ramsey did in '66 and '70 but the caveat at the moment is Gibbo's injury. I've not seen Cass play so don't know if he's an attacking full back, Smith can play RB but he's not as attack minded as Gibbo. Adding someone like a Mitch Clarke would be ideal but it ain't gonna happen.

On a side note, I thought Nathan Smith did really well today in a physical battle with a very awkward opponent.

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23 minutes ago, Vale1995 said:

Hes not had the greatest start to his vale career but im not writing him off just yet everyone makes mistakes and unfortunately as a goalkeeper mistakes are highlighted more because they normally result in a goal/penalty or something like today and him being sent off. It's unfortunate to happen in his first game but hopefully he bounces back from it and shows us that he is more than capable at this level. Yes he's probably cost us any chance of getting something today but theres a lot of games for him to make it up

I’m not writing Covolan off but we’ve got 2 keepers.  Stone came on and played well.  He’s got the shirt now and it’s his to lose.  Hopefully Stone will be playing well enough that Covolan has to wait a long time before he gets chance “to make it up”.  That’s how competition for places works isn’t it?

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3 minutes ago, Guitar Ray said:

I’m not writing Covolan off but we’ve got 2 keepers.  Stone came on and played well.  He’s got the shirt now and it’s his to lose.  Hopefully Stone will be playing well enough that Covolan has to wait a long time before he gets chance “to make it up”.  That’s how competition for places works isn’t it?

It will be interesting to see what Clarke does on Tuesday.  Does he play Covolan or does he pick Stone and add at least an extra match to Covolan's ban??

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DC said it might be a disappointing start to the season and so it proved. Even at this early stage he has a lot of questions to ask, notably how to get our 352 formation working. It took the last squad a long time to get used to it and we may have the same with our new one. It's difficult to defend, more easily exploited by the opposition, and harder to use as a platform for attack unless you have a centre back who can bring the ball out with confidence. It will take a while if he sticks with it.

Personally, I don't like it and he may change it when Gibbo comes back if he wants to get the best out of our players. Gibbo and Wozza, two of our most threatening players, need to play together. With three at the back, that implies 343 with Gibbo wide right, Benning on the left and Wozza up top on the right of Wilson/Proctor and Rodney left; that in turn, though, means leaving out either Walker or Pett and DC may not wish to go with just two central midfielders. So the alternative would be 433 with Gibbo and Benning as proper fullbacks and Walker, Pett and Conlon in the middle. Otherwise, I don't see how he is going to accommodate both Gibbo and Wozza together.

Plenty of time to go but some difficult issues to resolve with so many new players. Patient is a virtue, as they say. Or, with the Vale, a blinking necessity.

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8 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

It will be interesting to see what Clarke does on Tuesday.  Does he play Covolan or does he pick Stone and add at least an extra match to Covolan's ban??

I didn’t know we had a choice 

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56 minutes ago, valiant_593 said:

I think he fits into a 433

                     Stone

Cass       Smith   Martin   Benning

       Conlon  Walker    Pett

Worrall         Wilson       Rodney 

Just dont see enough goals.

Walker Pett Worrall  10 or so between them

Conlan has to be magic again for 10  ?

That leaves Wilson  n  Rodney  for  25 to 30 both BIG questions ?

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18 minutes ago, Santa said:

I didn’t know we had a choice 

I thought the ban would not apply in the Cup game because it’s a different competition but apparently it does so I was talking rubbish. 

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