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47 minutes ago, Fosse69 said:

Think I will wait until the beginning of October to assess how building a team around Conlon is progressing. We may be delighted by then or still apprehensive, interesting times.

Yes agree with that. Conlon will need to be at his best again along with Pett and hopefully the goals will come again in Wilson and Rodney. Tricky start on paper so important if we have a bad start to keep their heads up. 

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I still think you take Worrall out the team and take Legge out the leading role in the 3 at the back then its hardly surprising they lost .

They are 2 very influential players we have a lot of work to do no goals in 2 games v Fleetwood and Notts Forest and 3 very poor goals conceded from a defensive point of view v the 2 of them .

I  guess we will have to grow into the season but thats better than starting like a house on fire so to speak then becoming a damp squib  as season progresses .

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1 hour ago, sandyford_valiant said:

That’s all very well saying that but where we end up in the table will decide that. If we’re pushing for promotion then you’d be correct. Also where do you think Worrall fits in with this formation and the players he’s signed to fill these roles? At the moment i prob have us finishing around 10th. 

 

Well, personally I think the middle of the park is our strongest area now and we should look to set the formation around Conlon, Pett and Walker. I'd like to see a wing-back 5-3-2 formation, or it can be seen as a 3-5-2. Worrall and Benning as the wing-backs. The three players above in the middle of the park. Then a back three from Smith, Legge, Martin, Johnson, Cass and Gibbons etc. I think we looked a bit slow there yesterday with who started so I hope Johnson and Cass have a bit of pace. I think it will be Smith, Martin and Johnson who start.

 

Lucas

Worrall

Smith

Martin

Johnson

Benning

Walker

Pett

Conlon

Rodney

Wilson

 

On paper that 11 looks far stronger than what we could put out last season, in my opinion.

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Well, personally I think the middle of the park is our strongest area now and we should look to set the formation around Conlon, Pett and Walker. I'd like to see a wing-back 5-3-2 formation, or it can be seen as a 3-5-2. Worrall and Benning as the wing-backs. The three players above in the middle of the park. Then a back three from Smith, Legge, Martin, Johnson, Cass and Gibbons etc. I think we looked a bit slow there yesterday with who started so I hope Johnson and Cass have a bit of pace. I think it will be Smith, Martin and Johnson who start.
 
Lucas
Worrall
Smith
Martin
Johnson
Benning
Walker
Pett
Conlon
Rodney
Wilson
 
On paper that 11 looks far stronger than what we could put out last season, in my opinion.
Key phrase there is 'on paper'. We'll all have to wait and see
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22 minutes ago, philmpv said:
28 minutes ago, Beech said:
 
Well, personally I think the middle of the park is our strongest area now and we should look to set the formation around Conlon, Pett and Walker. I'd like to see a wing-back 5-3-2 formation, or it can be seen as a 3-5-2. Worrall and Benning as the wing-backs. The three players above in the middle of the park. Then a back three from Smith, Legge, Martin, Johnson, Cass and Gibbons etc. I think we looked a bit slow there yesterday with who started so I hope Johnson and Cass have a bit of pace. I think it will be Smith, Martin and Johnson who start.
 
Lucas
Worrall
Smith
Martin
Johnson
Benning
Walker
Pett
Conlon
Rodney
Wilson
 
On paper that 11 looks far stronger than what we could put out last season, in my opinion.

Key phrase there is 'on paper'. We'll all have to wait and see

Yeah, I'm not taking it as a given that we're gonna storm the league or anything. I still think there's not enough goals in the side for what would be ideal. We're going to be reliant on being extremely solid and keeping a lot of clean sheets to win games. But if there are a bunch of better looking teams in the league then we're in a very strong League Two this year.

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9 hours ago, Beech said:

Yeah, I'm not taking it as a given that we're gonna storm the league or anything. I still think there's not enough goals in the side for what would be ideal. We're going to be reliant on being extremely solid and keeping a lot of clean sheets to win games. But if there are a bunch of better looking teams in the league then we're in a very strong League Two this year.

I think it will be strong.  A lot of teams seem to have done good business from what I can see.  Also many teams have done the same as ourselves, completely rebuilt, or are in the process of doing so, so it’ll be hard to judge who the contenders are until a fair few fixtures have been played, and even then someone may have a late run like Bolton did last year.

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16 hours ago, sandyford_valiant said:

That’s all very well saying that but where we end up in the table will decide that. If we’re pushing for promotion then you’d be correct. Also where do you think Worrall fits in with this formation and the players he’s signed to fill these roles? At the moment i prob have us finishing around 10th. 

I posed the same question after the kidsgrove game because we have a few midfielders. I think if we go into the season playing 3-4-3 then worralls either going to be right wing back or playing off the right of the front man. Looked like Conlon played that role yesterday with free license to do what he pleases from there, which will at times will leave the right wing back exposed.  Also will Clarke continue with pett and Walker as the 2 centre mids that with us even less room for the more attacking players in the side.

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10 hours ago, Guitar Ray said:

I think it will be strong.  A lot of teams seem to have done good business from what I can see.  Also many teams have done the same as ourselves, completely rebuilt, or are in the process of doing so, so it’ll be hard to judge who the contenders are until a fair few fixtures have been played, and even then someone may have a late run like Bolton did last year.

Always feel that when you just replace 5/6 players you tend to think you have some idea what to expect next season. We replaced significantly more of the team and rightly so in my opinion. Looks like we have made some decent signings. Appreciate its not all about goals , a decent defence is required too, but its goals that get you promoted. DC talks about spreading the goals around the team but I am hoping its our forwards that fire us to promotion.

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On 18/07/2021 at 14:17, philmpv said:
On 18/07/2021 at 14:12, Beech said:
 
Well, personally I think the middle of the park is our strongest area now and we should look to set the formation around Conlon, Pett and Walker. I'd like to see a wing-back 5-3-2 formation, or it can be seen as a 3-5-2. Worrall and Benning as the wing-backs. The three players above in the middle of the park. Then a back three from Smith, Legge, Martin, Johnson, Cass and Gibbons etc. I think we looked a bit slow there yesterday with who started so I hope Johnson and Cass have a bit of pace. I think it will be Smith, Martin and Johnson who start.
 
Lucas
Worrall
Smith
Martin
Johnson
Benning
Walker
Pett
Conlon
Rodney
Wilson
 
On paper that 11 looks far stronger than what we could put out last season, in my opinion.

Key phrase there is 'on paper'. We'll all have to wait and see

proctor will do more work than wilson-discuss!😉:drink:

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5 hours ago, The man in the pub said:

Always feel that when you just replace 5/6 players you tend to think you have some idea what to expect next season. We replaced significantly more of the team and rightly so in my opinion. Looks like we have made some decent signings. Appreciate its not all about goals , a decent defence is required too, but its goals that get you promoted. DC talks about spreading the goals around the team but I am hoping its our forwards that fire us to promotion.

70 goals reqd during season? cant see it so far,😊:drink:

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I'm no fan of 3 at the back, with 3 at the back the space is behind the wingbacks and in these days of counter attacking football once the ball is turned over in the opposition's half one long ball and the opposition are in on our back 3, if I'm not mistaken both Forests goals came from them exploiting the space behind the wing backs. Also in the expanse of Vale Park there's even more space behind the wing backs. As for Dave Worrall the "Energy bunny" with skill it's a huge ask and a waste having him covering all the space from goal line to goal line.

Conlon was wasted stuck out on the right on Saturday, one half of his range of passing was taken away until he came inside.

Much prefer 4 at the back with whatever permeation of midfield and forwards a manager can dream up.

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I suppose this is why DC wants a squad that is flexible. And to be fair, I think he’s pretty much got one. It’ll be down to him how he manages games, from switching formation, players etc.

Totally agree about Conlon’s position on Saturday. I’m not really sure what that was about???

I would like to think that he playing behind the front two come the start of the season.

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