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1 hour ago, Beech said:

Proper bottle job last night by Southgate and the players. Scored early, played football, looked the better team and then suddenly allowed Italy all the time in the world to knock it around. We suddenly stopped doing what was clearly working so well. As soon as they scored it was always going to be extremely difficult, as momentum is everything in football. Only once Chiesa, who was outstanding, went off the game became more equal again. But we created nothing considering the players Southgate had at his disposal.

Southgate lost the game for us last night more than Italy had to win it. We'll never have a better chance and he blew it with his negative approach and woeful use of subs. The game was there to be won had he just been a little more brave.

Almost a carbon copy of the Croatia Semi-Final from 2018. A fantastic start not capitalised on, and we never really got on the front foot, even when Italy were clearly tiring & seemingly content to let it drift to penalties (as they also did in their semi-final).

At the end of normal time, I shouted out "Come on boys, we should be stronger than them" (.....they obviously couldn't hear me up in the top tier!) - particularly bearing in mind that they had a 70-year-old central-defensive partnership that had gone to extra-time in their previous match. We never really tested them though, bar a couple of runs from a fading Sterling.

As soon as I saw that Foden was a doubt, and then confirmed to not be in the squad, my hopes dropped, as he would have been an ideal option to come off the bench, keep possession and cause them problems in and around their box.

Henderson was poor when he came on, very sloppy and lacking composure in his ball retention and passing. Surely its now time for him to retire/be phased out - especially with the incredible Bellingham ready to be the box-to-box influence that we have been lacking for so long.

The regular inclusions of Bellingham, Foden, Alexander-Arnold, Greenwood should improve us and make us solid contenders to go really Far In Qatar in just 16 months time.

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1 hour ago, billybone54 said:

The better team won , England stunk the whole tournament out with their anti football. The whole game plan was get the ball to Sterling or Kane ,they would then dive win a free kick and hope to score from it. In one way I’m glad we became a bit more streetwise but those 2 players were embarrassing with their dives.

In my opinion that is utter rubbish but you are entitled to yours. 

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Proud of the team both on and off the pitch. Disgusted but sadly not surprised by some of the yobs who “follow” us and those who have racially abused three young lads for merely missing a penalty.

For me the most consistently impressive side across the tournament has won it but we took them all the way to the lottery of a penalty shootout.

Credit to Italy and Mancini, got their tournament spot on and I personally thought they were better than us on the night. Deserved winners.

Those giving Southgate and any of the players grief need to give their head a wobble. Derided in 2016 after the Iceland defeat we’ve just reached a World Cup semi final (first in 28 years) and Euros final (first ever) in back to back tournaments with an incredibly young squad of talented players. 

 

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5 hours ago, Jacko51 said:

Look back at the start of this thread.  No one predicted we would reach the Final.  It was hard to watch last night but England have had an excellent tournament.

No one predicted England would reach the final because most realized that even though England had first rate players we had a third rate manager and everyone had seen what the third rate manager did to England's chances at the 2018 World Cup and afterward at the Nations Cup (or whatever it was called).

The 2020 Euros were virtually a carbon copy of the 2018 World Cup, last night's outcome was so predictable, especially once England's team was announced. Will Southgate ever learn, the sad reality is he will most likely take the same ideas and approach to the next World Cup where we may not be so fortunate with the draw.

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17 minutes ago, Paul6754 said:

No one predicted England would reach the final because most realized that even though England had first rate players we had a third rate manager and everyone had seen what the third rate manager did to England's chances at the 2018 World Cup and afterward at the Nations Cup (or whatever it was called).

The 2020 Euros were virtually a carbon copy of the 2018 World Cup, last night's outcome was so predictable, especially once England's team was announced. Will Southgate ever learn, the sad reality is he will most likely take the same ideas and approach to the next World Cup where we may not be so fortunate with the draw.

I agree with that if Mancini had been in charge of England last night I think we’d of won it 

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The key penalty miss for me was the rashford one. If that had gone In it was pressure back on the Italians. What I was surprised by is that Rashfords no stranger to important last minute spot kicks. The one stands out for me is the one he took against PSG in injury time in the champions league. He smashed it high and with lots of power. Not sure why he did that awful fancy stutter and tried to roll it in last night. I suppose it’s easy to say that now I know. But he missed a key penalty. We weren’t very good last night and the early goal was incredible but sadly we didn’t look like scoring again. Massive chance gone in lifting a major tournament with all bar one game at Wembley. I’m not bothered about next World Cup or the Euros after, this was the chance not then. We had a relatively easy passage to the trophy and we couldn’t do it. All other top nations will come again next tournament And Brazil and Argentina. 
ive had a good time watching these England games though and the country and younger kids all got on board and supported the team. 

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Very, very poor show by Southgate last night. Picking an overly defensive line-up with only 3 out and out forwards, how many chances were England gonna create? England started well, we did create a chance and scored and got the Italians rattled for awhile then the Italians settled and we sat back and let them take control.

Only one side was gonna score after 20 mins and the Italians duly obliged, I was surprised it took 'em so long, testimony to how well Maguire el al played. England couldn't regain any momentum and Southgate left it late with his subs to try and change things, there was no plan B and the inevitable penalty shoot out happened.

Please Gareth no more, no mas. Gutted.

 

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1 hour ago, Paul6754 said:

No one predicted England would reach the final because most realized that even though England had first rate players we had a third rate manager and everyone had seen what the third rate manager did to England's chances at the 2018 World Cup and afterward at the Nations Cup (or whatever it was called).

The 2020 Euros were virtually a carbon copy of the 2018 World Cup, last night's outcome was so predictable, especially once England's team was announced. Will Southgate ever learn, the sad reality is he will most likely take the same ideas and approach to the next World Cup where we may not be so fortunate with the draw.

Completely agree with everything you said there, this was an unbelieavle chance, everything fell into place for us, will we ever all matches at home again, not sure we will, don't see us getting a World Cup and Euros probably wont come back for another 20+ years.  So many big teams knocked out early.  Going into the tournament all our main players fit apart from Alexander-Arnold  and right back we have so much depth so was not a miss.  

I said last night that was exactly the same as Croatia and for me at half-time it needed changing, last 25 mins of first half Italy were getting on top and we could not get the ball.  Southgate said he had learned from the Croatia game but he clearly hadn't.  You can't expect to win many games against quality teams with 30% possession.  We have Man City/Liverpool standard players but Burnley/Crystal Palace mentality with the coaching set up.  

A great Euros though and one of the better recent tournaments and for me this Euros proved that there should be a minimum 16 European countries at the World Cup instead of the riculous 13 that there is, so much more quality from Europe than in the World Cup when so many bad matches with the lesser nations.

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3 hours ago, mr.hobblesworth said:

So sickened by the abuse dished out to the 3 lads who missed. Feel really down today and not even about the result. As much as I hate empty patriotism, I believed that the team's progress in the Euros would possibly change minds or at least get racists to appreciate the positives of our multi-cultural country. I thought that possibly the decrease in the booing of the team taking the knee might mean that people had begun to accept it, perhaps even accept the reasons behind it. But no, all that was happening was a few more coins were added to the bounty, the pressure increased until there were scapegoats, and poisonous witless <ovf censored> could unleash their 'payback'. I really despair. Imagine the mindset it would take to spray racist comments over a mural of Rashford, a man who went out of his way to feed children and spent some of lockdown working in a food bank. What kind of person thinks it's ok to tweet monkey emojis at a 19 year old lad who has probably just experienced the most devastating moment of his life. Really <ovf censored> fed up of this and, as Gary Nevile said, it starts at the top.

Superbly put and reflects my feelings entirely 

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I suppose the majority on hear would say I'm being pedantic but England did not NOT lose last night. After 120 minutes of football the match finished as a draw. I would argue that the penalties after the match finished, were to decide who would hold the trophy for the next four years, and whoever "won" the shootout (lottery,) should be called joint European Champions and Euro Penalty Champions. Penalty shootouts are a ridiculous way of deciding a three week long championship. A golden goal with a player from each team being withdrawn every five or so minutes, makes a win much more valid. I would argue that shootouts only have any value in knock-out games and semi-finals, but in a final as the last game, it's a completely false way of deciding a winner. The whole competition came down to to a single penalty and triggered massive disappointment to all fans, as well as soul searching, racial abuse and violence as well as giving three young men an undeserved millstone to carry around for the rest of their career. This isn't just because England lost, I would feel the same if we had won the shootout. I'll now get my tin hat

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58 minutes ago, jjvale_03 said:

So you can't answer my simple question? 

Because it's a stupid <ovf censored> question. I thought that was why you deleted it. I am sure some of the trolls with their disgusting (not "silly") emojis weren't English, just as some definitely were. Maybe it was a Russian bot that flew in to Manchester specifically to deface the Rashford mural, perhaps the guy from Savill's with about 100 followers really did get his phone hacked. You seem desperate for this to be the case rather than face up to the racism endemic in our society. 

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Removing any emotion and disappointment from the result and not wanting to ignore the overall progress of the team over the past five years, I am still left wondering if we fully grasped the opportunity that we had last night? 

Ahead of kick off,  everything was in our favour. Home crowd, fully behind the team, high confidence with a team full of pace and dynamism that we've not seen for many a year, against team with players of excellent quality and experience,  but with an aging defence.  Even the cooler weather was on our side. 

So apart from the opening five minutes,  which produced an amazing goal, what exactly was our game plan that ensured that we take full advantage of these factors in our favour? 

Excuse my tactical naivety and perhaps ignorance  but why were we allowing the Italian centre backs to literally walk the ball to the halfway line under no pressure or engagement?  Shouldn't defending start from the front by chasing and closing down? 

Our energy from such young attacking players should have resulted in a torrid night for the Azzuri back line, yet they could have turned out adorning pipes slippers and smoking jackets for much of the game and that's how it was for more than 70 of the 90 minutes, occasionally with them doing what was cynically necessary, which didn't radically change in extra time.

If we had been picked of by even the odd goal or even two, by having a right go at them,  then fair enough I'd have said it's a final and they showed their class and experience,  but I can't help but feel that it was huge opportunity missed by playing in such a passive way. 

As for the penalties, I don't even want to go there because we had 120 minutes to run the old blokes at the back in to the ground, yet didn't even try to.  Was it fear, lack of ability, or just that the Italians were just so technically brilliant? 

Ultimately,  if we embrace and back our young players attacking ability coupled with a really impressive defence, we'll undoubtedly improve further and just maybe,  make that final step to bring home one of the major trophies that have eluded us for so very long. 

Come on England and The Vale!

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