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Anyway.... enough of the nonsense about budgets (ours is sensible and appropriate.) We are about to sign three new players. Any ideas who they might be. Guesses based on rumors that have circulated recently.....

Keeper - Tomas Holy??

Midfielder - Dean Campbell??

Forward - Brad Young??

Anyone else been mentioned?

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I’d love to see Rodney at 100% fulfilling his potential. But will that ever happen? What people say publicly and behind closed doors are two different things. I believe Rodney’s attitude more than anything else has rubbed some of the Vale hierarchy up the wrong way. 

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I can`t say I am doing somersaults over the possible signing of another novice striker. I would prefer to see a 100% fit Rodney playing, pace and power always works at this level.  
Problem is that you need to tell Rodney that. He has pace and power to burn but never uses it

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12 minutes ago, cactuselves said:

Anyway.... enough of the nonsense about budgets (ours is sensible and appropriate.) We are about to sign three new players. Any ideas who they might be. Guesses based on rumors that have circulated recently.....

Keeper - Tomas Holy??

Midfielder - Dean Campbell??

Forward - Brad Young??

Anyone else been mentioned?

I think we need a ch before striker if Rodney goes then winger/forward but experienced 

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58 minutes ago, rob1983 said:
Eventually if you spend enough money you'll be successful.

Football doesn't work that way unfortunately .

if you look throughout the EFL and the Premiership , the teams (95% or more ) that spend the most money have the most success , its a fact of business life , and running a football club is a business , Carol and her team have put the club back on an even footing , all revenue is now being fed back into the club , not into a fat controllers pocket , gates are up , expectation is up , so I am sorry investment is paramount to keep the momentum going  

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if you look throughout the EFL and the Premiership , the teams (95% or more ) that spend the most money have the most success , its a fact of business life , and running a football club is a business , Carol and her team have put the club back on an even footing , all revenue is now being fed back into the club , not into a fat controllers pocket , gates are up , expectation is up , so I am sorry investment is paramount to keep the momentum going  
Until we have a Saudi or Russian with unlimited money willing to invest in Burslem we have to take it steady. Your unlimited investment ends up with just a handful of clubs winning everything.

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Seems a lot of people are making the very easy and very popular point that we shouldn't overspend, which I fully agree with and have wanted for years. It's Carol's business and she should spend as she wants to, after what she has done for us. I don't want her going over the budget at all, and have never advocated as such.

My only point has been that, if we remain within the overall budget, I don't have an issue with us giving a player more than £1,850 a week if he's the right profile to increase the chances we get promoted. There's price inflation in January and the players we need to get us up (in the Purse/Hughes type) may cost us more than that. I don't think it'll have the impact on 'squad morale' as some think, as these are grown men. 

It's very fun, easy, and goes down well to post 'impatient and bankrupting the club!', and whilst two on here have daftly made that point, my point is more to do with working within the existing wage budget but maybe offering a bit more to a key player at a crucial juncture in the season. Spend a tad more on a forward and less on a CB, maybe, idk.

Not going to kick up a fuss when Flitcroft sticks to his guns - there's a business model and he's done enough to warrant time to see it through. Just don't lump me in with the clowns who just want unfettered spending, as that's nowhere near my point. 

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26 minutes ago, mvb said:

if you look throughout the EFL and the Premiership , the teams (95% or more ) that spend the most money have the most success , its a fact of business life , and running a football club is a business , Carol and her team have put the club back on an even footing , all revenue is now being fed back into the club , not into a fat controllers pocket , gates are up , expectation is up , so I am sorry investment is paramount to keep the momentum going  

That stat is skewed the higher up the pyramid you go.

In the Premier league and Championship I totally agree the exponential cash available just pushed teams forward. Although even then there are examples of team bucking the trend and some getting it very very wrong.

There is also a bit of a cause and causality impact here... Are the better teams successful because they have the money, or are they richer because they are more successful (TV rights etc etc)

As you drop down the leagues, the ability to be successful without cash increases... Or put a better way, money no where near guarantees success (Salford) and certainly not spending it if you don't have it (Bury).

There are a number of other variables that will determine success the lower down the pyramid you go... that's the playground we are playing in. So seeking out other ways to push the team on is a very sensible tactic... just ask Cheltenham and Morcambe.

Fact 1. We have spent money on our squad for the first time in donkeys years. 

Fact 2. We have a far more professional set up which is helping us find good talent we can use and sell on.

Fact 3. Investing money into a playing staff that we don't have is a disastrous and stupid tactic/gamble. 

Fact 4. Vale fans love moaning and will never be happy.

 

 

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54 minutes ago, cactuselves said:

Anyway.... enough of the nonsense about budgets (ours is sensible and appropriate.) We are about to sign three new players. Any ideas who they might be. Guesses based on rumors that have circulated recently.....

Keeper - Tomas Holy??

Midfielder - Dean Campbell??

Forward - Brad Young??

Anyone else been mentioned?

Can only have 5 loans in the match day 18 - we already have 3 in Cass, Edmonson, and Harratt.

I think Holy will happen but I can't see us in for Young - sounds like Flitcroft wants more of a winger/wide forward.

I'd say Holy, Campbell, and a winger/AM from the National League.

If Newcastle fancy parting with Cass permanently then I'd be straight in there, which would free up another loan space. 

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3 minutes ago, Joe B said:

Can only have 5 loans in the match day 18 - we already have 3 in Cass, Edmonson, and Harratt.

I think Holy will happen but I can't see us in for Young - sounds like Flitcroft wants more of a winger/wide forward.

I'd say Holy, Campbell, and a winger/AM from the National League.

If Newcastle fancy parting with Cass permanently then I'd be straight in there, which would free up another loan space. 

Spot on with cass given a little time he will be a very good player 

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13 minutes ago, Iron Curtain said:

Fact 4. Vale fans love moaning and will never be happy.

This is honestly crazy for me to read as I can assure you, after a couple of protest campaigns, most Vale fans are quite happy with the status quo. The biggest challenge wasn't finding moaners, but actually getting fans to start moaning. Even in the darkest days of Norman, most fans weren't too fussed. They just want to support the team, no further questions (and rightly so).

There's one or two dafties, as you will find from any sample size of 5,000 people, but 80-90% of Vale fans are very accepting and will get behind the club regardless. There seems to be more 'don't overspend! *7000 likes*' posts on here than people posting 'overspend and gamble the club!', which reflects how most fans want stability and not silly gambles.

Social media skews it, but if you surveyed every Vale fan on Saturday, most would be quite happy with the current set-up and budget.

Considering the wretched decades Vale fans have endured (more administrations than promotions and facing our longest stint in the bottom tier since WW2), I actually think the remaining 5,000 are amongst the most resilient and accepting fans in the country. Look at the numbers they travel in, the shirt sales, the unfailing optimism every single year. It's a borderline illness.

Compare to up the road - attendance decimated because they're only in the top half of the 2nd tier, which is better than the average position in their entire history, less than 5k turning up for a cup game as they can't be bothered. 

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5 minutes ago, Iron Curtain said:

That stat is skewed the higher up the pyramid you go.

In the Premier league and Championship I totally agree the exponential cash available just pushed teams forward. Although even then there are examples of team bucking the trend and some getting it very very wrong.

There is also a bit of a cause and causality impact here... Are the better teams successful because they have the money, or are they richer because they are more successful (TV rights etc etc)

As you drop down the leagues, the ability to be successful without cash increases... Or put a better way, money no where near guarantees success (Salford) and certainly not spending it if you don't have it (Bury).

There are a number of other variables that will determine success the lower down the pyramid you go... that's the playground we are playing in. So seeking out other ways to push the team on is a very sensible tactic... just ask Cheltenham and Morcambe.

Fact 1. We have spent money on our squad for the first time in donkeys years. 

Fact 2. We have a far more professional set up which is helping us find good talent we can use and sell on.

Fact 3. Investing money into a playing staff that we don't have is a disastrous and stupid tactic/gamble. 

Fact 4. Vale fans love moaning and will never be happy.

 

 

Spot on there IC .

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