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7 minutes ago, Guitar Ray said:

I think defending rather than purely the defence was a big issue last season.  The whole team could be deemed culpable in that regard.  Also, numerous games where we threw away a lead were often down to individual errors, a few more than would be normal for this level.

I'd still argue we need a few more goals, bearing in mind we scored 11 in just two games, v Bolton and Southend.  A quick check showed we failed to score in 17 games, around 10 more than Cheltenham, 6 more than Cambridge, 8 more than Bolton.

Don't disagree more goals are needed, just disagree that we're a very poor side going forward, when we weren't very poor last season and haven't lost anything of any worth in that department. 

Defensively we'll, based on the 6 clean sheets in 9 with a 352 and hopefully improved personnel, be better this year, and that's the main reason we were awful last year.

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1 minute ago, Joe B said:

Don't disagree more goals are needed, just disagree that we're a very poor side going forward, when we weren't very poor last season and haven't lost anything of any worth in that department. 

Defensively we'll, based on the 6 clean sheets in 9 with a 352 and hopefully improved personnel, be better this year, and that's the main reason we were awful last year.

I don't think anyone is saying we were "very poor" going forward last term and I think the comments are aimed at the current squad, still a bit shy of goals looking at the players.  Obviously, DC is well aware of this, hence the plan to add a striker and left winger to the ranks.

Hopefully Rod hits 20, Wilson 18, Conlon 10, Covolan 2 then spread a dozen or more goals about the rest, add your clean sheets and we'll be in a very good place. 👍

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The defence wasn't good enough so we have carefully recruited players to improve it and spent preseason coaching them but they are still not good enough according to the man who instigated the changes. 

All he has said is they need to get used to each other and improve defending set pieces which is correct
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So we have gone from a defence which towards the end of last season went on an unbeaten run of 8 games to one which needs to improve defending from set pieces and haven't played together before. I am not sure that is progress. Especially since they haven't really had time to decide if any of them fancy each others wives or don't agree with their choice of car or music. 

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6 hours ago, Guitar Ray said:

I don't think anyone is saying we were "very poor" going forward last term and I think the comments are aimed at the current squad, still a bit shy of goals looking at the players.  Obviously, DC is well aware of this, hence the plan to add a striker and left winger to the ranks.

Hopefully Rod hits 20, Wilson 18, Conlon 10, Covolan 2 then spread a dozen or more goals about the rest, add your clean sheets and we'll be in a very good place. 👍

We should get atleast 5 goals from Jones launching the ball and our fleet of man giants bundling the ball home.

Also we'll never know the indirect benefit of having a long throw specialist in terms of goals but it helps drag us much higher up the pitch if we get a throw anywhere near the final third. Think this would be the equivalent of nicking a free kick in those inevitable patterns of play where we are soaking up pressure and sitting deep.

Also might make teams play safer choices when playing out from the back to avoid giving away needless throw-ins. So having a long flat and fast throw in our locker helps us offensively and defensively.

It's a threat we didnt have last year so be interesting to see how it pans out.

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For me, I do feel (like most) that we need another ‘proven’ striker. A striker to bring goals as well as having enough strikers in the squad to cover injuries.

However, I think it’s more about how we create opportunities for our strikers and give them an opportunity to score. Like most ‘decent’ strikers, create enough chances and they will score.

I’m sure DC will be looking at every opportunity to get the strikers involved: crosses from out wide, play through the middle(which is something we are better at with current midfield), throw ins, corners etc.

Also, of course, other players will chip in with goals.

But if we can get the strikers firing, by creating opportunities, that could be the difference between promotion or not!

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10 hours ago, Rampant Zebra said:

The defence wasn't good enough so we have carefully recruited players to improve it and spent preseason coaching them but they are still not good enough according to the man who instigated the changes. 

Didn’t defend set plays well in one game and your making sweeping statements that we haven’t even improved the defence. I know your probably trolling but you must have a screw lose if you think players like benning aren’t an improvement over Fitzpatrick ect. 

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2 hours ago, Rampant Zebra said:

So we have gone from a defence which towards the end of last season went on an unbeaten run of 8 games to one which needs to improve defending from set pieces and haven't played together before. I am not sure that is progress. Especially since they haven't really had time to decide if any of them fancy each others wives or don't agree with their choice of car or music. 

It has been 1 friendly game where he said we need to defend better on set plays. It’s getting embarrassing now. 

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8 hours ago, Joe B said:

What evidence do you base this '1-0, 0-1, very poor upfront so far' view Dave? Pre-season? 

We scored 4 less goals than the team who won the title, and we've released 4 strikers who scored 9 league goals combined. We're certainly no worse, as Wilson got 7 goals himself, mostly from the wing.

Meanwhile, the defence had the 2nd worst record in the league when DC arrived, and even with 6 clean sheets in 9 games, finished with a bottom half record. That was the reason we were losing games (Tranmere, Walsall, Orient), and not our inability to score, and that was the reason we finished 13th and not top 7, as we certainly scored as many goals as the teams who finished there.

Yep, pre-season on lack of creating chances. Sheffield could have played with no keeper the other night. 

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2 hours ago, valiant_593 said:

It has been 1 friendly game where he said we need to defend better on set plays. It’s getting embarrassing now. 

If you don’t put 20p in the jukebox, you don’t get a song. A useful lesson If you don’t like the music on offer.

Ignore list. Absolutely any response you give is a win for him. 

He’s not even trying hard anymore… such obvious trolling and people fall for it every time… he will be at home laughing his socks off.

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12 hours ago, Joe B said:

I want to agree but we finished 8th and 13th in the last two seasons. We had two very poor seasons in League 2 but prior to that were in League 1.

We've spent 2 of the last 12 seasons below 13th in League 2, so anything below 12th is very disappointing in my view. Mid-table would still be in the bottom 3 of the last 12 years.

Carol has invested a whole load of money and trust in the past 2.5 years and I think she'll be disappointed with anything below a real, serious playoff push which may fall a tad short. 

I get people are worried about squad turnover but there's no evidence it inhibits teams at this level. Mansfield are celebrating decade-high season ticket sales of 2,439 and we regularly get 1,500 more than that at our lowest. Our aspirations should be promotion. 

Great analysis Joe.

You are correct. We're always great.  I hadn't realised just how great we always are.  Luckily, I have you to remind me that we are right to expect promotion every year.

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1 hour ago, Iron Curtain said:

If you don’t put 20p in the jukebox, you don’t get a song. A useful lesson If you don’t like the music on offer.

Ignore list. Absolutely any response you give is a win for him. 

He’s not even trying hard anymore… such obvious trolling and people fall for it every time… he will be at home laughing his socks off.

Obvious trolling? I am just not impressed with"the manager" and his recruitment strategy. I think time will show that his appointment was a mistake. 

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DC has already had more success than any of the last 5 or 6 managers by actually making the fans believe, bringing in faces people know and having a professional outlook. What does that say for the other managers if that’s all it takes to overtake them? I have never heard of a manager taking a team getting spanked game in game out, falling down the league and leading that same group of players to win 8 on the bounce. That is probably something for folk lore straight away. My genuine only concern for the new season is DC has his head turned by the big bucks, as he seems very ambitious.

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46 minutes ago, tommytunstall said:

💤💤💤

This is why I’ve put him on the ignore list. I only see his posts when someone quotes them. He’s like a Poundland version of REP or Erniemossrules.

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6 hours ago, Hitcher said:

We should get atleast 5 goals from Jones launching the ball and our fleet of man giants bundling the ball home.

Also we'll never know the indirect benefit of having a long throw specialist in terms of goals but it helps drag us much higher up the pitch if we get a throw anywhere near the final third. Think this would be the equivalent of nicking a free kick in those inevitable patterns of play where we are soaking up pressure and sitting deep.

Also might make teams play safer choices when playing out from the back to avoid giving away needless throw-ins. So having a long flat and fast throw in our locker helps us offensively and defensively.

It's a threat we didnt have last year so be interesting to see how it pans out.

We had Leon doing it last season but you’d want him to be on the receiving end rather than taking the throw.  Jones may have a better throw than Legge from what we’ve seen. 

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4 minutes ago, Guitar Ray said:

We had Leon doing it last season but you’d want him to be on the receiving end rather than taking the throw.  Jones may have a better throw than Legge from what we’ve seen. 

To be honest I thought the long throw from Legge was bloody awful.

I've no idea what it was meant to be, I'm probably wrong but don't recall one chance or moment of panic resulting from that damp squib 

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