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3 hours ago, Fosse69 said:

As I recall, others on here will know more,  Alnwick was 3rd choice goalie at Newcastle, but due to injuries played in the Prem.  That to me is more important experience.

He came on as a sub against Chelsea then started the next 7 games during which he let in 18 goals. I saw the 3-3 draw against Burnley when he was dreadful. Did fine for us though. 

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38 minutes ago, valiant_593 said:

I’m really not sure how almost getting promoted with Torquay makes this guy a class player. Some of the dross we released / transfer listen we’re recently PROMOTED from the same division. There is a difference in class. Players like whitehead who played in Salford’s promotion season are nowhere near this level but seemingly good enough for that. I really don’t agree that there’s no difference. 

Notwithstanding the difference between one of ten outfield players and a GK in a promotion team, Whitehead's a curious one for me. Must be a self-confidence issue as you don't get signed by West Ham and Wigan (back when Wigan were good) and be an integral part of two successive promotions from the NL if you're a bad player. For whatever reason, he played poorly for us, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if a decent NL team came in for him and he played a part in another promotion. Just seems to have a mental block at a higher level, sadly.

If there was such a gulf in class between NL and L2, then the promoted teams would frequently go straight back down, as they do between Champ and Prem, but that's not what happens. 2020 - Barrow and Harrogate;  2019 - Leyton Orient and Salford; 2018 - Macc Town and Tranmere; 2017 - Lincoln and FGR; 2016 - Cheltenham and Grimsby.

Of those ten, six are still in L2, two will be in L1 next year and two have gone back down (one just gone, one completely gone due to mismanagement rather than actual on-field issues).

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40 minutes ago, Emile said:

It is so boring on here reading everyone being negative about players who haven't even kicked a ball for us yet.

 

OVF is my only source of vale from Vienna - I come on here daily to stay in touch with whats going on as Rob does a much better job than the Sentinel but oh my days does it get tedious seeing the same 5 posters talking utter rubbish about how terrible a player is before they have even seen him!!

     Spot on Emile👍👍

 

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3 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

If a League 1 team had come in for Brown would anyone be saying they were mad?  Yet several are concerned that we’ve signed a “League 3” keeper??

Brown has a lot of experience at league 2 level, Lucas has only played 46 games at National League level in two seasons, less than Brown played last season. 

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I think we have just got to trust DC, DF and the new recruitment team, it does seem they scout, research and then make an offer, not like previous seasons.

We have all known the squad needed a good revamp and this is what we are getting. Some big big names have gone and we may never really know why, its DC and DF's decision.

I do feel though that the signings so far have been measured, calculated, not a knee jerk reaction for a team being formed to push for promotion.

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29 minutes ago, Rampant Zebra said:

Brown has a lot of experience at league 2 level, Lucas has only played 46 games at National League level in two seasons, less than Brown played last season. 

Yes, but according to the stats, the observations of our management, and the overwhelming opinion of the fans at their clubs last season, what are the respective trajectories of their performances and goalkeeping careers?

Brown is a great bloke and was a great keeper at our level. I would have liked him to stay another year, but it only would have made sense on a 1-year deal on reduced terms. Did we indicate we were willing to offer something like that? No idea. Would he have taken it if we had, given the offer from Exeter? No. So as with Monty, it's academic, as are comparisons to Alnwick or Whitehead or whoever.

Stats from last season suggest Lucas is a good keeper. Others were interested, but we have signed him. Job done.

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5 hours ago, Wrex said:

Ryan Boot has spent the last three seasons as Solihull Moors number one in the league below, winning Player of the Season last year, and playing under Tim Flowers who presumably knows a decent goalie when he sees one.

He was the fans player of the season, but he has been released. Who know's best fans or manager?

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Really dont get some vale fans weve signed a keeper who has had a good season for a team who got to play off finals in league below, how is that not a decent signing people on here literally look for the negatives in everything, give the bloke a chance

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Really dont get some vale fans weve signed a keeper who has had a good season for a team who got to play off finals in league below, how is that not a decent signing people on here literally look for the negatives in everything, give the bloke a chance
He was a worthy keeper to be given the chance to step up.
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42 minutes ago, Rampant Zebra said:

Brown has a lot of experience at league 2 level, Lucas has only played 46 games at National League level in two seasons, less than Brown played last season. 

These aren't schoolboys moving up a couple of years and physically might be at a disadvantage  the shots are just as hard in the National league, crosses come in just the same, what kind of experience are you looking for ? I know your on a wind up up but for goodness sake lighten up, I dread to think what your views are on the fixture list ......

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There is literally no difference in signing a keeper from our league who had a decent season compared to signing a keeper who had a decent season from league below. And fans would be buzzing if we signed a keeper for league 2 who had a good season

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58 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

If a League 1 team had come in for Brown would anyone be saying they were mad?  Yet several are concerned that we’ve signed a “League 3” keeper??

League 5

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4 minutes ago, blackdog said:

These aren't schoolboys moving up a couple of years and physically might be at a disadvantage  the shots are just as hard in the National league, crosses come in just the same, what kind of experience are you looking for ? I know your on a wind up up but for goodness sake lighten up, I dread to think what your views are on the fixture list ......

What makes you think I am on a wind up. I would have liked a keeper who has consistently played 40 games a season at any level.

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If I'm reading Jacko right 1, it is league three after the Premier and Championship, and the principle is till the same. Unless you still call them division 1, 2, 3 and 4, but that went out yonks ago.

Should we just all agree that Scott Brown was a top bloke but he isn't with us anymore and is in gainful employ at another club, unlike most of the rest of those released, and let's wait until we've seen Lucas play 5 games before we pass judgement on whether or not he is a good signing? All the comments doubting his pedigree are just froth and bubble until we see him in action behind our defence. Give the lad a chance, get behind him, and trust the management.  That's what fans are supposed to do, especially with a player who hasn't even played for us yet.

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