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13 minutes ago, philmpv said:

Genuine question due to lack of expertise - can 'pre-contract agreements' be dishonoured if, say, a club comes in with a better offer for the player in question between now and the end of June? The very name confirms that it's not a contract, so presumably it's not binding in the normal sense the way a contract would be? But may be a penalty clause if not honoured (which in theory could be paid by the player, his agent or the alternative club)?

Depends what is in the agreement, once its signed its as much of an contract as the actual contract I would think. I've never heard of a player walking out on one and they are quite common. If they could I'm sure one agent would have got a player to do it over the last few years. It's good for players as they can get settled at clubs more quickly and clubs can start recruiting before the releasing club's contract runs out; so I doubt a player would get PFA backing to challenge it. They were certainly legal when we were in the EU as they were set up by the ECJ as part of the Bosman ruling, so I believe it will form part of the body of law incorporated into the UK law post Brexit.

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22 minutes ago, philmpv said:

Genuine question due to lack of expertise - can 'pre-contract agreements' be dishonoured if, say, a club comes in with a better offer for the player in question between now and the end of June? The very name implies that it's not a contract, so presumably it's not binding in the normal sense the way a contract would be? But may be a penalty clause if not honoured (which in theory could be paid by the player, his agent or the alternative club)? Unlikely to be too much of an issue at our level though
 

Its rare, didnt Craig Pead join from Brentford years ago and then call it off

 

 

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29 minutes ago, philmpv said:

Genuine question due to lack of expertise - can 'pre-contract agreements' be dishonoured if, say, a club comes in with a better offer for the player in question between now and the end of June? The very name implies that it's not a contract, so presumably it's not binding in the normal sense the way a contract would be? But may be a penalty clause if not honoured (which in theory could be paid by the player, his agent or the alternative club)? Unlikely to be too much of an issue at our level though
 

Artell might know the answer after the stunt he pulled on us in 12/13 

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7 minutes ago, darren1810 said:

Artell might know the answer after the stunt he pulled on us in 12/13 

Artell was different, I think all the new players signed preseason were offered the opportunity to leave when the takeover didn't happened. It was just that he did and the others all stayed. I think the contracts were to be with the Limited Company that Keith Ryder created. When he disappeared or was dropped from a aeroplane in The Atlantic (after giving Adams 50 grand to pay expenses for the Ireland trip in a plastic carrierbag) the contracts became void.

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19 minutes ago, valefan16 said:

Its rare, didnt Craig Pead join from Brentford years ago and then call it off

 

 

There was a story which did the rounds but the truth was we did a medical which highlighted the medical problem which caused his retirement a year later. There was an agreement subject to a successful medical and he failed the medical. Vale, not Pead, then decided against continuing with the contract. I think someone on OVF just posted that they'd heard he'd decided not to sign and the story ran for a while .... about 12 hours, about standard for a transfer window storm in a teacup.

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1 hour ago, philmpv said:

Genuine question due to lack of expertise - can 'pre-contract agreements' be dishonoured if, say, a club comes in with a better offer for the player in question between now and the end of June? The very name implies that it's not a contract, so presumably it's not binding in the normal sense the way a contract would be? But may be a penalty clause if not honoured (which in theory could be paid by the player, his agent or the alternative club)? Unlikely to be too much of an issue at our level though
 

a pre contract can be broken but normally it’ll cost whoever is breaking it, money to break the contract, either the club who’s breaking it or the player

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Despite loads of players who have played at Vale and Shrewsbury... who was the last permenant signing we made from them. We had Jules on loan but, despite the proximity,  can't think of a recent permanent signing we have made. Big list of players who have played for both. In relatively recent times quite a few have gone the other way.

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9 minutes ago, JRC said:

Despite loads of players who have played at Vale and Shrewsbury... who was the last permenant signing we made from them. We had Jules on loan but, despite the proximity,  can't think of a recent permanent signing we have made. Big list of players who have played for both. In relatively recent times quite a few have gone the other way.

I remember bloody Alan Boswell 😂😂😂😂,although he came later.

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13 minutes ago, valiantastic said:

a pre contract can be broken but normally it’ll cost whoever is breaking it, money to break the contract, either the club who’s breaking it or the player

That's true of any contract. I think the point in football is UEFA can probably withhold registration within their jurisdiction for the period of time covered by the contract. I'd assume they can do that with a pre contract. Malbon ended up not playing for a while because he signed and decided he'd made a mistake (Stalybridge?). The Bosman case was to do with restraint of trade. I believe it was agreed football was special in so far as teams could retrain trade but only within the terms of a predefined contract. It wasn't a 100% win for Bosman who had wanted to move whenever he felt like it. Without being certain I'd imagine precontract implies registration with the club for the length of the contract agreed, which then means they are tied to a club unless they stop playing for that period.

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I’m buying in to the process, but hope to see something different from our leaders going forward. 50 games in 3 years doesn’t fit what I thought the matrix looked like but hopefully he will stay fit and do the business. Good luck to him. 

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14 minutes ago, ELDERBEZZA said:

I remember bloody Alan Boswell 😂😂😂😂,although he came later.

Ah, Good old Eve Boswell......they called him Cinderella cos he kept missing the ball! He was good comedy value at times.....unfortunately he was our keeper...😂  gave me bloody nightmares every time he came for a cross, usually ones he shouldn't have. Those he should have come for he stayed where he was...

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