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Wasn't Hart replaced purely on passing out from the back ability by Pep rather than pure goalkeeping skills ? 
Exactly. Someone as influential as pep saying he couldn't pass the ball out and dropping him then suddenly all of a sudden shots started going through him. A criticism of a small part of his game severely affected almost every aspect of it.

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Just a quick note to thank all of the members of the squad for their efforts in a somewhat trying season. Goodbye and good luck to those of you who may be leaving us. It may not have panned

There are some miserable bitter people on this forum.

Dear playing squad  Frig off.  Best,  Doha

Did you read the 1st post or just the title?

The thread is titled a message to the squad. A forum is about debate and expressing different opinions. If BHF didn't want comments and debate on his thank you letter, why start a thread on a public forum, and not just email via the Club directly? If this offends you, then I'd suggest you don't come onto a public forum with differing opinions

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2 minutes ago, Doha said:

What are you on about? 10 relegation campaigns in 145 years means we should expect and accept it should we? 

No. Just that 26 comparable seasons and 10 relegations from 109 seasons indicates that this isn't the worst season in our history.

Footballers have recently been talking about all the abuse they receive on social media on a daily basis. I just struggle to see what hysterical posts condemning the player's characters is supposed to achieve. There's a difficult time on Monday as a lot of them will be wondering where they'll next be able to find gainful employment from. For example, Monty may or may not be offered a contract, he might be facing having to take his young family to Scotland or to consider moving and living on his own up there so he can provide for his family. There will be other stories.

This was just a nice thread to thank the players should any of them go onto the forum at the end of the season.

I know your response will be something like "they're <ovf censored>, <ovf censored> 'em". But as phil says this a forum where people can have different opinions, as long as no lines are crossed.

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This is typical of one or two folks on here if you don’t agree with me then stay of this thread you are wrong and I’m right . For feck sake it’s about different opinions 
If you want to think that fine. Read the first post and decide if it is a discussion like every other post or a place to thank the players if you wish for their contribution.

I won't be posting anymore on this thread as I have expressed my opinion and have reached my limit to avoid spamming a thread.

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Both obvs. BHF clearly wanted to thank the squad, which he did and is his right. I didn't, which I didn't and is my right. Refer to my previous post about public forums for clarity

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Their thanks is being paid a king’s ransom for kicking a leather sphere around on some grass and regardless of how bad some of them are, being paid all the same.

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25 minutes ago, Doha said:

Dear playing squad 

Frig off. 

Best, 

Doha

Replace dear with FAO and scratch best.

always good to do a first draft though.

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Yep, cheers lads.

Carol publicly supported you and talked you up, backed the club to the tune of £1m+ of her own pocket after spending £5m to buy it, the fans bought 11,000 shirts and 4,000 season tickets in a season many were furloughed/out of work, and sat at home watching a dodgy stream, watching in dismay as you completely crumbled to Kings Lynn, bottled last minute leads on a semi-regular basis, and gave more than a few fans genuine stress about our league status, before an entire football operations reset was implemented to organise you into competency and we finish bang in mid-table in the weakest League 2 in years.

Drinks on me when you're next in Burslem. 

Got no issue with fans thanking the squad and its their right but I also think its fair that fans can voice displeasure. I wish my 87 year old Grandad could have a chat with some of these players. 

This isn't aimed at all of them, obviously, but I think the players thanks came in the form of Vale fans paying £300 + 23 x £10 to watch them, overall, disappoint.

 

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Give Clarke's interview a listen.

He certainly doesn't thank this squad. He eviscerates them.

He's spent every day with them and I trust his judgement that some of these players have let us, Carol, and the club down with their attitudes, and some are just not good enough.

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15 minutes ago, Joe B said:

Give Clarke's interview a listen.

He certainly doesn't thank this squad. He eviscerates them.

He's spent every day with them and I trust his judgement that some of these players have let us, Carol, and the club down with their attitudes, and some are just not good enough.

He also mentioned the "tears for some genuine boys who might not make the cut".

I trust him to lay into the ones who were slacking and to thank the ones who put the effort in. We can probably guess which categories the different players belong to.

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2 minutes ago, Wrex said:

He also mentioned the "tears for some genuine boys who might not make the cut".

I trust him to lay into the ones who were slacking and to thank the ones who put the effort in. We can probably guess which categories the different players belong to.

There's some who I would happily shake their hand and wish well.

Joyce is one. Probably on his way but a good professional, hard-worker, and a good player overall. No issues with him at all. Hope he gets another season or two elsewhere.

Clarke clearly stated for some, 'they have huge hearts' but they just don't have the ability to get us promoted. 

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5 minutes ago, Joe B said:

There's some who I would happily shake their hand and wish well.

Joyce is one. Probably on his way but a good professional, hard-worker, and a good player overall. No issues with him at all. Hope he gets another season or two elsewhere.

Clarke clearly stated for some, 'they have huge hearts' but they just don't have the ability to get us promoted. 

Yeah I didn't like seeing Joyce being slated on here. Solid professional, 40+ games each of his three seasons here. But yes, nearly 600 games as a professional in League Two and no promotions suggests he hasn't quite got the quality required for the job next season.

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Confidence is huge in football. Just look at Joe Hart if you need an example. Pep destroyed his confidence. In the autumn and early winter we suffered numerous turnarounds and late goals, h& ad our own that may have turned the tide disallowed against Scunthorpe (I think). The players have managed to overcome that and turn the tide albeit after a manager has lost their job.

Their is this idea that players down tools and don't try. That may be the case for the odd player but you don't tend to make it as a professional footballer if you don't have a drive to win. The losses will hurt most of the players almost as much as us. They know if they don't perform they could well end up stacking shelves or driving a taxi.

You have poisoned enough threads with your bitterness. This thread is to thank the players for their efforts so if you haven't got anything positive to say butt out and state your opinions on the countless other threads available to you.
Conceding so many late goals was more to do with poor fitness and lack of professionalism.

This group of players have been a disgrace and go down in my memory as being some of the worse to wear the shirt.

Good riddance.

Your standards in life are clearly much much lower than mine.
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5 hours ago, Wrex said:

Still odd that a 30-year old with 75 England caps just completely loses form and it never returns, and without an injury or anything.

GK is a position like no other in the team.The position is a lot about mentality. Its not just Hart, -  Paul Robinson,Jack Butland, Robert Green. The position. is littered with the game GK's who never really recover from a bad gaffe or two.

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Thanks to the squad for playing for my team. Thank you to my fellow fans for paying money for whatever in to PVFC. Thank you to the manager and his staff. And last of all, Thank you to our owners. Who are without doubt the best in football. UTV.

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Going back on my word.

Conceding so many late goals was more to do with poor fitness and lack of professionalism.

This group of players have been a disgrace and go down in my memory as being some of the worse to wear the shirt.

Good riddance.

Your standards in life are clearly much much lower than mine.
Everyone seems to forget that last season we conceded and scored late goals. We harried teams and closed them down even late in games which obviously required fitness. This year we didn't get the rub of the green with those which had a knock on effect of lowering confidence. This made us mentally fragile so we were often desperate to hold on rather than take the game to the opposition.

GK is a position like no other in the team.The position is a lot about mentality. Its not just Hart, -  Paul Robinson,Jack Butland, Robert Green. The position. is littered with the game GK's who never really recover from a bad gaffe or two.


Are you saying that when an outfield player doesn't recover from a bad gaffe or two it is because they don't care or have decided to down tools and nothing to do with mentality?

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