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4 hours ago, Fosse69 said:
13 hours ago, Guitar Ray said:
That's an interesting point.  Ageism is supposedly illegal interms of employment if not pay.

But it is a sporting competition. The number of players on the field is fixed. So the Prem fixed the squad at 25 Adult players, and an unlimited number of apprentices/learners since they don't all make the grade by the time they are 21 and all can't be guaranteed a job.

But the difference is, that PL teams already have absolute hoards of U21/23s. Was it Chelsea, that a few years back loaned out 2 full teams, and still had competitive squads in all age groups? 
I get the idea of the salary cap and squad cap, but the squad cap is at most redundant without the salary cap.
The real cost cutting exercise was the salary cap, never the squad cap. So with the salary cap gone, so clubs can still spend way beyond their means, the squad cap just has no logic anymore. If a club wants to spend say 4 million on wages, why should the EFL control if they spend it on 20 or 30 players? The money will be spend either way, clubs like Salford, Bradford or Bolton, will still pay silly wages to get their man. And if clubs can only have 20 or 25 players in the squad, clubs will just pay even more to secure their man.
The squad cap turns the tables, from making it a clubs market, to a players/agents market.

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5 minutes ago, Danish Valiant said:

But the difference is, that PL teams already have absolute hoards of U21/23s. Was it Chelsea, that a few years back loaned out 2 full teams, and still had competitive squads in all age groups? 
I get the idea of the salary cap and squad cap, but the squad cap is at most redundant without the salary cap.
The real cost cutting exercise was the salary cap, never the squad cap. So with the salary cap gone, so clubs can still spend way beyond their means, the squad cap just has no logic anymore. If a club wants to spend say 4 million on wages, why should the EFL control if they spend it on 20 or 30 players? The money will be spend either way, clubs like Salford, Bradford or Bolton, will still pay silly wages to get their man. And if clubs can only have 20 or 25 players in the squad, clubs will just pay even more to secure their man.
The squad cap turns the tables, from making it a clubs market, to a players/agents market.

Some clubs don`t have 20 adult players,  the fewer players you have means that you can pay them higher wages within the allowed playing budget. If you pay say a star striker a massive amount there is less for the rest of the squad, depends whether the rest of the squad think he is worth it.

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4 hours ago, Fosse69 said:

Some clubs don`t have 20 adult players,  the fewer players you have means that you can pay them higher wages within the allowed playing budget. If you pay say a star striker a massive amount there is less for the rest of the squad, depends whether the rest of the squad think he is worth it.

Some may not have 22 but I doubt any club has less than 20. Without in season loans you wouldn't survive with less than 20.

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22 minutes ago, JRC said:

Some may not have 22 but I doubt any club has less than 20. Without in season loans you wouldn't survive with less than 20.

Make the numbers up with 20 and unders,  I think that is what Southend have done but others have too.

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13 hours ago, Fosse69 said:
22 hours ago, Guitar Ray said:
That's an interesting point.  Ageism is supposedly illegal interms of employment if not pay.

But it is a sporting competition. The number of players on the field is fixed. So the Prem fixed the squad at 25 Adult players, and an unlimited number of apprentices/learners since they don't all make the grade by the time they are 21 and all can't be guaranteed a job.

It's a sporting competition played by full time professionals.  Surely employment law relating to age should apply?

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33 minutes ago, Guitar Ray said:

It's a sporting competition played by full time professionals.  Surely employment law relating to age should apply?

Sports tend to have lots of age limits, physical fitness is often related to age,  footballers legs going etc. Which aspects of employment law are you thinking of?

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On 11/04/2021 at 00:45, Rory said:
On 10/04/2021 at 22:28, Guitar Ray said:
It's a sporting competition played by full time professionals.  Surely employment law relating to age should apply?

Not sure employment law is relevant? Vale could employ 500 players if they wanted to, they just wouldn't be able to select them all in the FL squad.

That's the point, it doesn't appear to be relevant.  You'd think in this day and age that it would be.  Just referring back to part of the comment posted by DanishValiant, "Imagine any other business, only being allowed a certain number of people over a certain age. There would be lawsuits all over the place!
Ie. what if Tesco or Sainsburys said, each branch could only employ 10 people over 21, the rest had to be under 21
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EFL is a members club with a charter and set of rules that teams signed up to there is no legality issues they aren't saying you can't employ as many players as you want they are just saying you can only play 20 if you want to be a member. Similar to a dress code at a golf club

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22 hours ago, Rory said:

I think you're still getting confused by being employed and being selected in an EFL squad.

Why can't they make a proper decision on it? All seems a bit odd to me.

A pro footballer under contract at a club is employed, whether or not they're selected for the squad.  If they get left out of the 20, or whatever it ends up being, due to there being too many players over the age limit, could the rules be construed as being discriminatory?  Clubs aren't going to want to employ players to have to pay them not to play.

We live in a world where asking someone their age in a job interview is technically illegal, so to have age limits within the framework of smaller squads seems to me that it could potentially restrict the employment prospects of more of the players who happen to be over the age cap than was the case before these limits were in place.

Have to add I'm not an expert and the idea itself was originally floated by someone else.

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All though there isnt any obvious legality issues, as always if someone clever enough looks hard enough they could find one. The EFL needs to grow a pair and make the decision. What are the PFA going to do have it's members go on strike or seek money as compensation which will ultimately filter down to the clubs as less solidarity payments and therefore lower wages for it's members and finally if anything is discriminatory in football I think it's the no girls aloud policy that stands out the most.

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