New Training Facilities.

[Fosse69]

28 minutes ago, For Us All said:

I don't really get this idea of moving the training facility away from Vale Park.Are we blaming this seasons home results on the fact that we are training next to VP or is it because we are using the same dressing room.I'd be tempted to put it more down to injuries,motivation,desire and the fact that there's no fans in the ground.You could argue that it eventually helped Crewe get promotion but also played a part as well in getting them and Stoke relegated too.Are they any stats that say training away from the home ground brings success?

It doesn't seem to affect Man.City.

Basically,it's all about the players and always will be and I would prefer to spend money on better players than on another training ground.

I assume the decision is based on the availability of land for training pitches and buildings, most grounds are based in built up areas so tend to have training facilities/academies in the outskirts.  An expanded academy/development squad requirements is likely to exceed the availability of land behind the Bycars.  The expenditure is likely to be spread over many years whereas the player expenditure is over a shorter period.

[Valiant in Brum]

I don't really get this idea of moving the training facility away from Vale Park.Are we blaming this seasons home results on the fact that we are training next to VP or is it because we are using the same dressing room.I'd be tempted to put it more down to injuries,motivation,desire and the fact that there's no fans in the ground.You could argue that it eventually helped Crewe get promotion but also played a part as well in getting them and Stoke relegated too.Are they any stats that say training away from the home ground brings success?
It doesn't seem to affect Man.City.
Basically,it's all about the players and always will be and I would prefer to spend money on better players than on another training ground.

Because most clubs have their training grounds seperate to the club in a location on the outskirts.

It will be more professional and do the club alot of good especially if we could have indoor facilities.

[Valiant62]

Carol’s money but boy is she throwing it around at the moment. I guess a long haul plan needs all these development things. I’m trying to work out why I’m failing to warm to it all. I think it’s the “Brent” language which leaves me a bit cold- worried it’s fur coat and no knickers.

[Joe B]

I have no issue with a new training ground and think there's a lot of positives to it, but I think 'it will make match days better for the players' is a weak argument.

Building a brand new training ground is a very expensive way of focusing/motivating remunerated footballers to do their job. The players should be up for match days whether they've trained there all week or not.

The benefits of a specialist training ground are numerous, but if we're looking to focus players on Saturdays we can do it in multiple ways before spending millions on a new facility.

Not saying I'm against a ground, just find this key argument a rubbish one.

[dishydave]

It's going to cost millions especially if they build a dome for indoor pitches but there will be grants and other sorts of funding available as it will be under the foundation. It will also mean that there's no lost training days during the winter and it will provide an income all year round from hiring the pitches out at night.
As for making it a special occasion for the players I don't see how it would make a difference but we will see.

[Fosse69]

27 minutes ago, Joe B said:

I have no issue with a new training ground and think there's a lot of positives to it, but I think 'it will make match days better for the players' is a weak argument.

Building a brand new training ground is a very expensive way of focusing/motivating remunerated footballers to do their job. The players should be up for match days whether they've trained there all week or not.

The benefits of a specialist training ground are numerous, but if we're looking to focus players on Saturdays we can do it in multiple ways before spending millions on a new facility.

Not saying I'm against a ground, just find this key argument a rubbish one.

They are just trying to become a bigger club ,  it is about development not  just the first team. I have noticed in the Leicester Mercury that the Youth and U23 look forward to playing at King Power as a treat, indeed it is a special occasion for the First team, having spent all the week at their training complex, recently opened costing £100M. An exaggeration I know, but that is the drift. Not that they could have used the money on players as it is a long term loan, 

[Bald Eagle]

2 hours ago, Eddie Ford said:

Make Vale Park exciting for the players on a match day

And in turn for us supporters 😀

[Andy Proctor]

I know around 1997 vale used to train by pvc which was a factory in Milton around by where red hills road was. Me and a couple of mates used to go watch them train during our lunch break at holden Lane High school.

[LancyTony]

58 minutes ago, Fosse69 said:

They are just trying to become a bigger club ,  it is about development not  just the first team. I have noticed in the Leicester Mercury that the Youth and U23 look forward to playing at King Power as a treat, indeed it is a special occasion for the First team, having spent all the week at their training complex, 

That's an excellent point - and it probably won't be the established first-teamers, but the newcomers and the young lads who will get a buzz from playing at Vale Park?  Which could only be a good thing?

[PV1973]

I think the key point is being missed and some people are just focusing on one sound bite about trying to make coming to work at Vale Park a special occasion and are making a joke of it. In isolation that comment sounds like a whimsical reason. But take it as whole with all the other factors. Our training pitches are rubbish, the facilities in the ground are small and will only get smaller if the concourse is done at the other end of the Lorne st. We have no indoor facility that’s big enough to train in apart from the small indoor area behind the away end. Having a separate training ground is commonplace for many clubs, but it means you can have bigger and better physio rooms, gym and recovery areas, an indoor pitch, educational areas for the academy, coaches and better pitches for the academy too instead of being the nomads they’ve been since being formed.

Generally somewhere separate for the players away from the day to day stuff going on at the ground with no distractions and maybe somewhere that can’t be easily overlooked too. A small percentage of all of that I will include trying to make going to Vale Park a more special place which may well give the first team an extra lift. But also it’s about building for the future as a club and not being constrained to what we currently have on site and making do. Maybe we can sell the land behind the ground that the current training pitches are on too. 

[Doha]

That site behind the Bycars must be over 200,000 sq ft.

With access from Dolly's and Bycars Lane, that's a lot of newbuilds. It's adjacent to a nice park and the eastern side houses would have a view overlooking allotments. 

NuL and the surrounding areas are absolutely awash with developments at the moment. The demand is there, and developers are always looking to land bank. 

I would suggest there's a few quid in that idea. 

[Properman]

17 hours ago, Joe B said:

I have no issue with a new training ground and think there's a lot of positives to it, but I think 'it will make match days better for the players' is a weak argument.

Building a brand new training ground is a very expensive way of focusing/motivating remunerated footballers to do their job. The players should be up for match days whether they've trained there all week or not.

The benefits of a specialist training ground are numerous, but if we're looking to focus players on Saturdays we can do it in multiple ways before spending millions on a new facility.

Not saying I'm against a ground, just find this key argument a rubbish one.

If it is a weak argument, why do all the top clubs have training away from the main ground? Also (I dont know now) when the youth team played in the youth fa cup you had to play it on the first team ground, so was a treat the further you got, just like the first team.

[Joe B]

3 minutes ago, Properman said:

If it is a weak argument, why do all the top clubs have training away from the main ground? Also (I dont know now) when the youth team played in the youth fa cup you had to play it on the first team ground, so was a treat the further you got, just like the first team.

They do it for reasons that aren't 'it excites the players on match-days'. Big clubs spend millions on creating behemoths with 20 pitches, saunas, cryogenic chambers, integrated sport science departments.

I am all for a training ground, just not with this being the main reason. Do it to improve the fitness facilities and have the young lads regularly training with the first team etc. You're right it's probably a big deal for the youth team, but I hope our professionals are sufficiently focused every Saturday they're lucky enough to play for our club.

It's more a pedantic issue with the case for it, as opposed to the concept itself. Get it built, imo.

[dishydave]

The council own the pitches behind the ground

[Doha]

Ah ok it looks like the whole park, and Dimensions, was developed with national lottery funding with the council as the freeholder. That's a shame, I thought those pitches were ours. Although maybe some funds could be raised for a new site by the council buying the club out of their exclusive access to the land?