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A higher priority for me would be raising minimum wage and making sure the superrich can’t avoid paying the taxes they’re due - which isn’t to say I think the proposed wage rise for nurses is sufficient. There are shedloads of key workers in the care sector and others that deserve a lot more for their efforts.

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17 minutes ago, Valiant62 said:

A higher priority for me would be raising minimum wage and making sure the superrich can’t avoid paying the taxes they’re due - which isn’t to say I think the proposed wage rise for nurses is sufficient. There are shedloads of key workers in the care sector and others that deserve a lot more for their efforts.

Totally agree and while they’re at it get rid of the zero hours contracts 

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1 hour ago, Mario said:

Fairs fair the government have offered something they could have offered nowt...What about all those on furlough who have lost money protecting the NHS ?

Plenty of Teachers Police Fire shop workers bus drivers supermarket workers have worked through why does the secretary who works in the renal dept deserve a pay rise ?

 

 

What about the monumental waste of money the government have spent on failed private contracts such as test and trace? Or spaffing money up the wall by bailing out the bully Patel. Or HS2 which is not needed or beneficial to the economy compared to other potential projects.

This is a pay cut in real terms. And I agree bus drivers and other hard working public sectors also deserve a rise. 

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My daughter is a senior ward sister on a critical care ward and has been in nursing for over thirty years. She has been working fourteen hour shifts for nearly twelve months coping with inadequate PPE, staff shortages etc. She is completely exhausted physically and emotionally but gets on with it! She has too try and supervise the student nurses that have been drafted in too cover for the shortfall in staff, as well as doing her job, which at her level is highly skilled and technical. She has had enough and has decided too leave nursing when things are back to something like normal. She is not alone, many of her senior colleagues who have the same qualifications and experience have also had enough. Their is going to be a massive shortage of senior staff in nursing and no one there to train the newly qualified nurses! It takes a three year university course to qualify and you only really start too learn the job once you start on a ward. A 1% pay rise is an insult and exactly what my daughter forecasted months ago. All this will do is encourage more staff too leave the profession and less young people to apply to become nurses. As regards not being able to afford a decent pay rise, it's amazing how the government managed find a billion pounds for the DUP when they needed them to stay in power! They can always find find the cash for important things!
For several weeks she had to stay in hotel near the hospital to isolate from her husband and three children and at the end of this month it will be exactly a year since I actually saw her!
No problem whatsoever with front line Covid staff the work they do is inspirational

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2 hours ago, Mario said:

Fairs fair the government have offered something they could have offered nowt...What about all those on furlough who have lost money protecting the NHS ?

Plenty of Teachers Police Fire shop workers bus drivers supermarket workers have worked through why does the secretary who works in the renal dept deserve a pay rise ?

Working on the covid front line yes probably it's been hell, but a nurse on our estate told me they dont do it for money he said when he signed up it was a vocation as well.

 

 

Don’t agree with your first paragraph. It’s insulting from the government. They find it ok to give businesses that haven’t even traded in the past couple of years up to 50k of which they don’t need to start repaying for a full year, and quite frankly don’t need the money, yet offer an insulting 1% rise. Honestly it’s worse than keeping it the same. Just insulting. 
 

Agree with your 2nd paragraph. I think all those front line workers who haven’t been able to work at home deserve a wage rise. But a proper wage rise, or a bonus something meaningful for all of the hard work. My wife is a teacher who hasn’t worked from home due to vulnerable children in the school, has done probably 3/4 x as much work as normal, goes to school at half 6 gets in at 6 and then works to 10/11 and that Monday - Sunday. All front line workers deserve a decent rise not just the NHS I do agree with that. 
 

Finally I get where your coming from, that they do the job because they enjoy it. Fair enough, but they still need to be rewarded properly for the job and not insulted. For all of the extra work and everything else they have dealt with I think saying they do it because they enjoy their job is taking it too far. Basically the government are a bunch of <ovf censored>. It was blatantly obvious this would happen. They couldn’t give a <ovf censored> about the NHS or the people who have been on the front line and genuinely deserve something meaningful. 

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2 hours ago, Valiant62 said:

A higher priority for me would be raising minimum wage and making sure the superrich can’t avoid paying the taxes they’re due - which isn’t to say I think the proposed wage rise for nurses is sufficient. There are shedloads of key workers in the care sector and others that deserve a lot more for their efforts.

its going up next month to £8.91

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Its a difficult one in that everyone would agree the Nurses have done a great job and deserve better. However if you are some one who has lost their job due to Covid and are struggling to find a new one, you may find the job security, availability of  overtime  , and 1% increase attractive.

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33 minutes ago, The man in the pub said:

Its a difficult one in that everyone would agree the Nurses have done a great job and deserve better. However if you are some one who has lost their job due to Covid and are struggling to find a new one, you may find the job security, availability of  overtime  , and 1% increase attractive.

There’s plenty of jobs going in the NHS and as student nurses

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Available overtime???

As previously mentioned my daughter has been doing fourteen hour shifts. She regularly has to stay up to two hours beyond that because she has to hand over the ward to the next person in charge. This means going through each patient's condition, as well as paper work that has to be completed. Anything beyond her alloted hours is unpaid. She regularly works an extra ten or so hours of unpaid work per week. Also if someone calls in sick she has to stay on to cover for them until a replacement can be found, all unpaid! It's not a job you can just walk away from when the bell goes! She cares deeply about her work and the NHS, but you can only take so much of being under valued. The job was hard enough before the pandemic but for all the weasel words of praise from this disgusting Prlme Minister, a 1% rise is an insult. They are taking advantage of the front line health workers, who are putting their lives at risk every working day.

I am not downplaying the tragedy of losing your job, or having your income cut. I have been made redundant in the past from a management position, after twenty years in what I thought was a safe job, so I know how hard it can be, or the value of other public sector workers Police,Teachers etc. Do not devalue these people or you are storing up up a major crises in the future. The government has the power and the money to give public sector workers a decent wage. They choose not to!

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I'm quite sure that these comments won't be popular with a lot of folk on here, but nevertheless, I shall try to put a slightly less emotive point of view: of course the nurses deserve a pay rise, and so too do every front-line worker who have kept the country ticking over in the most difficult circumstances any of us has experienced in our lifetimes. What  about doctors, hospital porters, hospital cleaners transport workers, shopworkers, care home staff, home care workers, refuge collectors, police, fire service personnel, teachers, delivery drivers etc, etc., the list could go on.  The vast majority of these workers will get little or no salary increases in the near future, but nurses are at least being given something, small as it is.

Continuing this hopefully objective argument, nurses, along with their NHS colleagues also have the benefit of rock-solid pension provision that many of the listed workers above (especially those in the private sector) don't get!  Also, newly qualified nurses have already received a 12% increase in salary, taking nurses' average salary to £34000 pa.

Finishing where I started, of course it's 'unfair' that nurses haven't been offered a bigger increase, but any increase is almost certainly more 'fair' than most will receive and definitely more fair than the millions of people who have struggled through the pandemic on furlough or been made redundant through no fault of their own.

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4 hours ago, capirex said:

My daughter is a senior ward sister on a critical care ward and has been in nursing for over thirty years. She has been working fourteen hour shifts for nearly twelve months coping with inadequate PPE, staff shortages etc. She is completely exhausted physically and emotionally but gets on with it! She has too try and supervise the student nurses that have been drafted in too cover for the shortfall in staff, as well as doing her job, which at her level is highly skilled and technical. She has had enough and has decided too leave nursing when things are back to something like normal. She is not alone, many of her senior colleagues who have the same qualifications and experience have also had enough. Their is going to be a massive shortage of senior staff in nursing and no one there to train the newly qualified nurses! It takes a three year university course to qualify and you only really start too learn the job once you start on a ward. A 1% pay rise is an insult and exactly what my daughter forecasted months ago. All this will do is encourage more staff too leave the profession and less young people to apply to become nurses. As regards not being able to afford a decent pay rise, it's amazing how the government managed find a billion pounds for the DUP when they needed them to stay in power! They can always find find the cash for important things!

For several weeks she had to stay in hotel near the hospital to isolate from her husband and three children and at the end of this month it will be exactly a year since I actually saw her!

Thank her on our behalf please.Most of us clapped and were saying how they deserved a decent pay rise. How fickle many have become now,lets hope they don't have to call on their wonderful services!!Johnson's had his publicity stunt when he was supposedly ill.

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13 minutes ago, capirex said:

Available overtime???

As previously mentioned my daughter has been doing fourteen hour shifts. She regularly has to stay up to two hours beyond that because she has to hand over the ward to the next person in charge. This means going through each patient's condition, as well as paper work that has to be completed. Anything beyond her alloted hours is unpaid. She regularly works an extra ten or so hours of unpaid work per week. Also if someone calls in sick she has to stay on to cover for them until a replacement can be found, all unpaid! It's not a job you can just walk away from when the bell goes! She cares deeply about her work and the NHS, but you can only take so much of being under valued. The job was hard enough before the pandemic but for all the weasel words of praise from this disgusting Prlme Minister, a 1% rise is an insult. They are taking advantage of the front line health workers, who are putting their lives at risk every working day.

I am not downplaying the tragedy of losing your job, or having your income cut. I have been made redundant in the past from a management position, after twenty years in what I thought was a safe job, so I know how hard it can be, or the value of other public sector workers Police,Teachers etc. Do not devalue these people or you are storing up up a major crises in the future. The government has the power and the money to give public sector workers a decent wage. They choose not to!

My wife also worked in the NHS , just retired after 40 years so I do value their work . They saved my life when I had a near fatal illness so I am a big fan. I suppose the point I was trying to make is the country is in a financial mess £2.2 trillion debt. I remember hearing that when we were at £1.8 Trillion that equated to £30k of debt for every man woman and child in the country. The reality is that  2 adult ,2 child family has £120k of extra debt on top of any other household debt and yes I know its Government debt but guess who pays for it in taxes.

So when we have this much debt as a country should anyone be getting any rises. If you are being honest no.  Just say your household got its £120k share of the National debt dumped on it surely it would be belt tightening for a very long time if the plan was to get out of debt.

Industries that are in financial trouble do not give pay rises, they cannot afford to  or if they do surely go bust. Redundancies in Industry  will be the order of the day.  Should a man be giving you money when he is massively in debt ?

 

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1 hour ago, JohnJames said:

There’s plenty of jobs going in the NHS and as student nurses

You are right JJ and as redundancy rates start to rise In the Private sector I am sure more people will consider a job in the NHS.  As a result of the unemployment storm that is gathering , not sure how many vacancies there will be for anyone wanting to head in the other direction.

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