Jump to content

Recommended Posts


Completely and utterly spot on Joe
The reaction of some on here and social media is like we are doing another Bruno experience and we will fall flat on our faces

It was time for an overhaul
I agree if anything we are finally seeing the back of that awful era with Bruno as we were still suffering the effects of that.

We needed a reboot of the players. We could not carry on as we were. Covid can be blamed all we like. Infact it was inconsistencies that caused us to fall short last season as a couple of weeks before we were in the play offs before being cancelled.

This is very different we have a DoF who has experience winning promotion from League Two and a manager with experience from league two. All with contacts. We are in better hands than under Bruno.
  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Advert:


  • Replies 1.4k
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Posts

Smith played 46 league games for us in L1, in a season where if Norman hadn't flogged two of our best players, we would have stayed up. Despite one bonkers and one useless manager., and an acid fuelle

My opinion on this is that what has happened today is what many have been crying out for in an age.  Since Adams left we have promoted from within apart from the Bruno experiment. How many of us

Very sad for Scott Brown and Luke Joyce. They go with my thanks for their efforts. Losing Tom Pope is equally sad but that’s the right decision. 

Posted Images

anyone who can't see the difference between a mass intake under Bruno and a mass clear-out / rebuild under Clarke is on the other side of a chasm too wide for me to bridge in less than 100 posts / 1000 words. so just wait and see instead, and let actions and results speak.

  • Like 1
  • Haha 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
11 hours ago, Warren said:

In running organisations its usually best to go for incremental change that leads to continuous improvement. Big change is usually only used when there is no real alternative; some sort of crisis. The reason for this logic is that big change carries significantly more risk of going wrong. 

But this is sport and players can flatline a club for season after season. If we kept the same squad we would get pretty much the same result next season; perhaps worse as key players age further. So if we want to move up the league transformational change is needed; but in the main better players require higher wages. In attracting them, the lessons of Bury must be learned. Everything has to remain sustainable and realistic. 

Hopefully Warren with the smaller squad rules the same kitty can be spread over fewer players, meaning we could pay higher wages. After several years of saying it, maybe this will be the season when we actually get Quality over Quantity.

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Advert:


9 minutes ago, Doha said:

 Press reports were true

2 years with an option on a  3rd

Good luck to him.

 

 

Well done Monty.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Interesting comment from their manager

First Team Manager David Martindale said: I’m delighted to get this one over the line. I was alerted to Cristian last season but for one reason or another, it never quite worked out. I kept my eye on him and have watched a lot of footage of him from this season and I’m now extremely happy to get him this time round.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I think that's a good move for Monty, and I hope he does well. He'll relish the opportunity to play infront of 50k+ against the Old Firm. 

Only concern would be his injury record given they play on a very dodgy 4G surface. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Sandyford_Lion said:

True about some good players. They have been / were good players but do we really need to keep hold of them for another season. On top money for the Vale too. That is the reason to move them on i believe mpore than anything else.

That’s not what I’m saying. The comment was that all those leaving were crap.

That was not true. I think people should lower their expectations.

Salford and Mansfield have both spent shed loads on better players. It doesn’t mean anything. Look at Morecambe

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Advert:


4 minutes ago, JohnJames said:

That’s not what I’m saying. The comment was that all those leaving were crap.

That was not true. I think people should lower their expectations.

Salford and Mansfield have both spent shed loads on better players. It doesn’t mean anything. Look at Morecambe

Some of those players have been excellent. We had them four years ago but the players around them were not up to it. Whether that is budget and we spent too much on certain players i am not sure.

You are right about finance, spending loads of money never guarantees success. Spending money on the right players and getting a team to gel is the answer. Love it when the Salfords fail yet again. More often than not money does help towards promotion. Hope Carol has the money ready.

I honestly dont think too many people can argue that D C has done wrong in this big clearout but i also know there will be many telling him so IF he does fail in recruitment.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, Joe B said:

Bar Brown, I don't know which players people are so worried about replacing.

Pope was, at most, a back up striker. Joyce was likely to face competition if he stayed. Montano would have been a utility left-sided player and many advocated for a specialist left back. Brisley is the third best centre-back at the club.

We're talking about one regular starter and 4 squad players next season. The rest of the retained list weren't even decisions. No brainers.

Brown will be a challenge, but bar that, we still needed mass improvement of the first 11. Nothing's changed there. If we'd retained the aforementioned players, their roles would have been reduced and replacements for their first team minutes would have been needed.

Largely agree, clearout definitely required, but my concern with releasing Monty and Brown is not so much finding a player in each position to replace them as first choice as it is now having to recruit two players for each position, which you'd assume is harder for an individual position (GK, LB, RB) than for areas where you're likely to be starting more than one in a game (CB, CM, CF).

Finding the first should be doable, but once you sign a first choice LB or Keeper, it's surely harder to convince a second to come when they know they're less likely to be a starter. As such is there more chance of being left with a distinctly second-best back-up option, as opposed to two competing for the position, leaving us not much better off than this season (although hopefully with a less injury-prone first choice).

Obviously with Monty it's a case that he had something better lined up elsewhere anyway, and the absolute best of luck to him as he seems like a good bloke as well as a decent player for our level. Had he stayed and we bought a first-choice LB though, that would have left Monty as cover for LB and competition at LW/LF if playing a back 4, and competition at LWB if playing a back 3. We'll find it hard to replicate that level of cover and quality for Monty's wage, and it would have been far less of a concern that he couldn't play 40 games a season if we had a first choice LB.

All academic now but still, sad to see Monty go.

Similar with Brown, top bloke and I would feel happier if we'd offered him another year, as well as bringing in someone on a longer-term (2- to 3-year) deal. That way whoever comes in would have known that whilst they'd be competing for the no 1 jersey next season, the plan would be for them to be definite no 1 the year after with Brown moving on. Might be same as Monty, Brown has a 2-year deal lined up elsewhere that we couldn't (shouldn't) match, but I guess we'll find out.

Either way, onwards and upwards to when we all reconvene in Big Mad Darrell's House of Pain in August (we should officially change the name of VP to that for one season, imagine them handing over to a reporter on Soccer Saturday and having to call it that!)

  • Like 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I was very sad to see Scott Brown go - I'd planned to sponsor his kit next year.  I remember someone posting one of those clever stat charts on here a few weeks ago which showed that he wasn't the best keeper in our league.  Doesn't stop me thinking it's sad to see him go.

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Advert:


Well done, Monty. Not surprised, he was one of our better players and I always liked his style of play. Good man off the pitch too with the community work he did.

You have left a lot of friends at Vale Park, Monty.

Hope it works out well. 

  • Like 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
11 hours ago, toyahw said:

Let us face it, we will be rubbish next season.  Our longest in the lowest tier. What is DC going to pick up? Dross other teams have kicked out, I would love to buy into the DC/AF "project".  But for me it is all  talk talk and no knickers.

Another season of drift with a shouty man shouting. Bloody depressing,

Judge it after 15-20 games of next season.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

To think of Stevie G screaming at his right-back to get tight on Monty next season. Go on Monty lad!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Reporting Posts and Ignoring Users

    Moderators don't read everything. Don't assume we'll spot rule breaking (e.g. personal abuse) - use the orange report button above a post to alert them.

    If you can't get on with another forum user you can select the "ignore" option. Simply click on the link below, type in their username and save - Click here

    Please check with site staff if you wish to sell, auction or raffle any items on here. We are very happy to support good causes but do ask you to check with us first - Contact us here




×
×
  • Create New...