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4 hours ago, Rampant Zebra said:

Putting a lot of faith in a manager who has achieved one relegation and one promotion from League 2 5 years ago. 

It's really time you learned that there are no certainties in football. Which means, there are always uncertainties.

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34 minutes ago, Playa Amodores said:

Because I’d suggest that Crosby is the better coach who has been assistant in the EPL and leagues higher than Dutton. They have been known for ripping up trees, at Walsall.

As a Valiant he has my 100% support but if it goes wrong there’s no excuses.

Crosby maybe a stop gap for a few months.

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30 minutes ago, Santa said:

I'd much rather the running of the football side was left to the football people.

Our previous owner had quite a large input on who we signed and look where that got us.

Carol obviously saw it this way when appointing a DoF.  From what was said in the recent interviews it was clearly, and understandably, difficult being objective when making some decision whilst having the emotional connection of being a fan. As Carol said herself, she rates Flickers as her best signing.

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Flitcroft impressed the fans with a lot of convincing talk when he arrived.

The next 2-3 weeks will define him. He's got a good amount of money and squad space to work with, and the freedom + control to shape it. He, as it was suggested by Clarke, should have been working on this and now it's a case of hitting 'Go' on the best players that have been identified. Clarke knew Saturday evening (and probably weeks ago) that everyone was going.

In an ideal world, Flitters has a Top 5 Targets for each gap in the squad, identified through data, watching in person/video, character reviews, cost, and suitability for the type of team Clarke wants to assemble. Clark ticks his favourite, and doesn't hear from it again till the player is holding a scarf up in the Lorne Street.

Matrix has a massive summer.

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2 hours ago, Conrad said:

For me releasing Brown was a big shock, can’t really see anybody any better coming to a league 2 club...

But Brown came to the Vale from a club just promoted to L1?

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1 minute ago, Joe B said:

Flitcroft impressed the fans with a lot of convincing talk when he arrived.

The next 2-3 weeks will define him. He's got a good amount of money and squad space to work with, and the freedom + control to shape it. He, as it was suggested by Clarke, should have been working on this and now it's a case of hitting 'Go' on the best players that have been identified.

In an ideal world, Flitters has a Top 5 Targets for each gap in the squad, identified through data, watching in person/video, character reviews, cost, and suitability for the type of team Clarke wants to assemble. Clark ticks his favourite, and doesn't hear from it again till the player is holding a scarf up in the Lorne Street.

Matrix has a massive summer.

Not forgetting our Recruitment Analyst, Tommy Johnson.  Over to you Tom.  No pressure.

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6 hours ago, Bob Newtonian said:

...how do you bring in 15 players who are better  than the players we ve released  without having any greater bargaining tools to attract them with than other league 2 clubs....

It's generally acknowledged that the squad was too big, by at least 5 players? So those don't need to be replaced, and their wages will go towards bringing in the better players we need. For the first time, "Quality, not quantity" looks like it could happen!

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7 hours ago, LancyTony said:

But Brown came to the Vale from a club just promoted to L1?

Exactly Lancy. I personally am disappointed to see Browny go, i think it's purely an age thing with him.

I was also sad to see Neal leave and Alnwick.

The king is dead long live the king.

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8 hours ago, Guitar Ray said:

Not forgetting our Recruitment Analyst, Tommy Johnson.  Over to you Tom.  No pressure.

Recruitment departments are never big names, but can make or break a manager. They can reverse the fortunes (for good and bad) of a club in one summer, if they nail/balls the signings. Clarke has gone all in on himself and his recruitment team to rebuild this entire squad from the ground up; if it goes wrong, his EFL career is in a bit of trouble. I admire the confidence in himself, and he must trust Flitcroft + the recruitment team to deliver.

Leicester's signings before they won the title (Mahrez, Kante etc) have transformed the club into perennial top 4 contenders. I'm not suggesting we see such a totemic shift, but it would be nice for a successful summer to really kick us on.

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Hoping that Robinson and Whithead are asked to find alternative employment today, and, as much as I quite like the both of them, wouldn't mind if the same was said to Burgess and Amoo (although wouldn't be too fussed if they're retained as squad players).

Would leave us with 8 players contracted, and I have a suspicion that Hurst may be loaned out (as he got a 2 year deal and probably needs a bit more development, being at an age where regular minutes are crucial and he's unlikely to be a first choice for us).

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11 minutes ago, Joe B said:

Recruitment departments are never big names, but can make or break a manager. They can reverse the fortunes (for good and bad) of a club in one summer, if they nail/balls the signings. Clarke has gone all in on himself and his recruitment team to rebuild this entire squad from the ground up; if it goes wrong, his EFL career is in a bit of trouble. I admire the confidence in himself, and he must trust Flitcroft + the recruitment team to deliver.

Leicester's signings before they won the title (Mahrez, Kante etc) have transformed the club into perennial top 4 contenders. I'm not suggesting we see such a totemic shift, but it would be nice for a successful summer to really kick us on.

Spot on!By god ,don't we all deserve a bit of long term  stability and a bit of success.The summer recruitment and the next 12 months is massive for Vale and the Clarke journey.

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13 minutes ago, Joe B said:

Hoping that Robinson and Whithead are asked to find alternative employment today, and, as much as I quite like the both of them, wouldn't mind if the same was said to Burgess and Amoo (although wouldn't be too fussed if they're retained as squad players).

Would leave us with 8 players contracted, and I have a suspicion that Hurst may be loaned out (as he got a 2 year deal and probably needs a bit more development, being at an age where regular minutes are crucial and he's unlikely to be a first choice for us).

I agree entirely. I have a gut feeling we could be in for even bigger shocks today.

I can see Amoo, Whitehead, Burgess and Robinson definitely going.

I'll throw these out there too.

The enigma that is Jake Taylor, in reality at the moment a potentially disastrous 3 year deal given by the club, signed prior to Clarkes arrival and seemingly not fancied by Clarke ( granted he has been injured ) . Does he have a future here i wonder.

Also Legge, now Clarke basically said if i pick him he plays, let's be honest it was a great decision and Legge was immense. The rumoured triggering of a new deal we will see, wouldn't at all surprise me if he is also gone. Maybe legal technicalities over that who knows. Makes no sense to me to just keep Legge yet let others like Brisley who performed equally as well go.

My prediction and i'm bound to be wrong is that we will see 6 further exits or made available for transfer situations.

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In my biased opinion I am beginning to suspect that this is not about what is best for Port Vale Football Club, this is just about proving a point for Clarke. I think he is quick to take the credit for success but quick to blame others if it goes wrong. We will recruit players who are clever enough to say what they think he wants to hear.

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Just now, Rampant Zebra said:

In my biased opinion I am beginning to suspect that this is not about what is best for Port Vale Football Club, this is just about proving a point for Clarke. I think he is quick to take the credit for success but quick to blame others if it goes wrong. We will recruit players who are clever enough to say what they think he wants to hear.

I think that's another load of nonsense.

He's never taken any credit, always passes it on to the players. And what blame has he directed on to others?

Your vendetta against Clarke, who saved us from non-league oblivion, is bizarre.

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41 minutes ago, Rampant Zebra said:

In my biased opinion I am beginning to suspect that this is not about what is best for Port Vale Football Club, this is just about proving a point for Clarke. I think he is quick to take the credit for success but quick to blame others if it goes wrong. We will recruit players who are clever enough to say what they think he wants to hear.

What a complete load of rubbish. It is a retained list. We have just had another awful season of course the majority were going to be released. I wouldn’t go on the internet today if I was you as more will be leaving. It’s called rebuilding, something that has needed to be done for years. Of course it’s the best thing for port vale we have been desperate for a clear out for some time !! 
 

Also watch his interviews he hasn’t taken any credit for wins he has always put that praise onto the players. I get you don’t like him (no idea why) but it’s getting embarrassing now. 

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