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5 hours ago, Nofinikea said:

All well and good, but the remit is to develop young players.  Where does signing experienced players sit with that? 

You can't have a team, at any senior level, with only U21 players. You need experience, for the young guns to lean on and learn from, to get their development going. We won't have a U21 team, made up of foreigners like at Man City, United or Liverpool. We will have to find the gems, in a now increased competitive environment because of the new rules.

Just see what happened at the Prem clubs, when the home grown rule was introduced. Suddenly the poachers where out and about, with a blank cheque book to get the best youths. We, or any other L1 or L2 club for that matter, won't be able to compete with that in any way shape or form. 

So to be fair, I don't really see or understand, why the obligation to develop young UK players, has landed almost exclusively on the shoulders of the L1 & 2 clubs.

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Smith played 46 league games for us in L1, in a season where if Norman hadn't flogged two of our best players, we would have stayed up. Despite one bonkers and one useless manager., and an acid fuelle

My opinion on this is that what has happened today is what many have been crying out for in an age.  Since Adams left we have promoted from within apart from the Bruno experiment. How many of us

Very sad for Scott Brown and Luke Joyce. They go with my thanks for their efforts. Losing Tom Pope is equally sad but that’s the right decision. 

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5 hours ago, Doha said:

I must have imagined all the goal kicks in that Stevenage game. 

Yes - but as part of his warm up he needs to pace out the distance from the wing to the centre off the goal at every match as he consistanly hits them far too long. He's young enough and if Vales training pitch is not exactly the same size as the real pitch I would have him spending an hour a day hitting balls from each wing and aiming them at Front post Back post and centre spot in turn. He needs to be able to do that without thinking "how hard should I hit this one " which is what he looks like now. Like I say he is young and looks good, now its up to him to hone his skills.

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1 hour ago, Nofinikea said:

You ok hun?  I only asked where it was said.  I dont recall that being an immediate goal when the structure was put in place.  In fact I would argue that we are 2-3 seasons away from a realistic go at it.  The player turnover this summer will render next season as a team building one, the following summer would be a tweaker to add a bit of quality where needed and then season 3 should be a promotion target.  If anyone is expecting to challenge next season... lol.

Most clubs in our league will have a big turnover of players this summer the days of building a team over 2or 3 seasons has long gone so to say it’s 2 to 3 seasons away is boll-cks we need to be up there next season 

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9 hours ago, 1 said:

How is Legge a fan favourite?

Id literally keep Brisley as back up to a new decent CB rather than him.

Because, mostly, he has done well for us and been a leader on the pitch, since he joined us. Then he is a very well-respected ambassador for one of those conditions that sports people tend not to talk about, in case it is seen as weakness or jeopardises their career; and, often, that the public are pretty much ignorant about.

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9 hours ago, Doha said:

Scott Brown - Offer 1 Year
Tom Pope - Difficult one. He'd be 36 a few games in, but is one of the best in L1/L2 at hold up play and heading. If Clarke is minded to set up for floating crosses to a target man, offer 1 year as an impact sub
Cristian Montaño - Risky injury record, not as bad as some but not great. Offer 1-2 Years
Alex Hurst - Offer 2 Years, ship him out on a long loan for some non league hoofing, getting battered and refining his crossing under pressure from the fullback. 
Dino Visser - I'd like to see us sign a youth goalkeeper, send them out on loan for 46 games, and if Visser is fit again after the training injury, Offer 1 Year


Adam Crookes - Release
Luke Joyce - Release
Leon Legge - Release
Manny Oyeleke - Massive shame, but release. Averages 15 league appearances a season, madness. 
Mark Cullen - Release
Kurtis Guthrie - Release
Zak Mills - Release
Shaun Brisley - Release
David Fitzpatrick - Release
Daniel Trickett-Smith - Release
Harry McKirdy - Release

Theo Robinson - Mutual termination 
Danny Whitehead - Mutual termination
David Amoo - Too injury prone, too inconsistent. Mutual termination


Ryan Campbell-Gordon - Impossible to say 
Tom Scott - ""

I think termination is a bit drastic - couldn't we just ask them to leave?

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9 minutes ago, Nofinikea said:

and thats why we will keep going around the same loop.

I'm reasonably sure somebody on this forum, recently, came up with stats to show that clubs with a high turnover of players tend to be more successful than those that keep a settled squad?

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1 hour ago, LancyTony said:

I think termination is a bit drastic - couldn't we just ask them to leave?

Come with me if you want to play football.

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Hmmm..  there's having a high turnover of players within an existing management structure and there's having a high turnover of players due to a changing management structure.
Either we back Clarke as a club for the long term, come what my or we keep resetting the clock.  That means we don't lose our and wet our knickers every time we lose a few...  can't see it myself but we'll see.

You’re talking nonsense
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We must stop continually signing injury risk players,as we've been doing it for years.A due diligence on the player's fitness MUST be put in place ,as we are a joke at the moment.Too many stealing a wage sadly,that are draining the Vale of much  needed funds.

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8 hours ago, The Kalamazoo Kid said:

Yeah, I noticed that quote too :-

"...not one left-footed centre half. In my opinion Crookesy can play there but he is a left back."

If Clarke sees him as a left-back then he'll surely be released in the Summer, as he's poor at left-back IMO and better at centre-back? (and even then, preferably when playing 3 centre-backs together).

Clarke also remarked that Crookes defended well on Tuesday, but commented on his distribution and quality on the ball.

 

It seemed like virtually every time the ball came near him he just smashed it back up the pitch without looking to keep possession, IMO it was one of the reasons why we couldn’t get a foothold in the game, so I can understand Clarke’s comments about him. If he’s seen as just a left back by Clarke then I don’t see what future he has there, compare him to a Gibbo or a Mitch Clark for example, he isn’t mobile enough or has the energy or tenacity about him like those that can set him apart from a league 2 plodder that gets played at full back sometimes. 

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8 minutes ago, Nofinikea said:

We have got to back Clarke, whatever happens.  We need so stability, we can't just keep changing managers and expect to get success.  As I previously said, this means the fans need to grow up a bit and instead of turning on him when he has a sticky patch, we get behind him even more.  He won't get everyone he wants in summer, its unlikely that he will put a promotion team together in under 2-3 seasons due to squad restrictions, budgets and existing contracts.  So we have to be patient.  If by year 4 or 5 he isn't getting anywhere then we will have to look again but not before. 

Will Vale fans give him the time to do this?  

It’s not just vale fans it’s fans of every club in the country that’s how football is nowadays  teams get promoted then struggle the next season ie Northampton and sack the manager what goods stability when your heading for the conference fast as we were with askey   Clarke knows that next season if we ain’t challenging for the playoffs at this stage then his job will be under threat 

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21 minutes ago, Eddie Ford said:

...never mind 4 or 5 years. No club does these days 

Exactly! Isn't the average spell of a manager about 2 years (if that)? Keeping a manager for 4 or 5 years is incredibly rare in recent times. (I do think that some Vale fans hark back to Rudge's time, but in that respect he was an absolute freak, same as Dario Gradi and Alex Ferguson).

Is the average Port Vale manager tenure all that different than many (/most) other clubs?

[EDIT : others had replied with similar points before I posted mine!......should type with more than one finger! 😆]

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2 minutes ago, Nofinikea said:

So we are expecting Clarke to change for promotion and develop youth inside 18 months?

Looks like we are 12 months away from Clarke out posts then. 

If you are waiting for Clarke and his team to develop youth team players into first team players you’ll be waiting along time if in 5 years time two youth team players make it to the first team I’ll be amazed so it’s looks like many years in league 2 unless we get relegated 

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8 minutes ago, Nofinikea said:

Carol has appointed a DoF and he has appointed DC with the exact remit of developing youth.  So either you think Carol is talking <ovf censored> and the people she has employed to do this will ignore her and do there own thing or she has appointed the wrong people.

Developing young players isn’t that easy or every club would do it Crewe have got a fantastic academy and spend shed loads of money on it and they have struggled to bring players through over the last 10 years it’s a lovely dream to produce your own players 

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It’s not immediate promotion that he needs to bring. It a genuine improvement where we can actually see that the side is progressing. 4/5 years is far to long, no matter would get that amount of time. For me we need to have improved to say top half next season and then push the year after. He will have had 3 windows to bring players in and 2 pre seasons. For me it’s about progress. If mid way through next season we’re in a similar place to now I imagine his position will be very unstable again 

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He isn't going to develop any youth players in a year is he really. Its going to be a while before we see anything like that. The crewe team that got promoted last year was full of the same young players that got relegated from league one years ago. So you could say it will be at least 4 or 5 years before we start seeing any results on the youth front. What he will do in his first season is develop the younger players who are at the club already. We are talking about a manager that turned Zack Jules into a saleable asset so we know he's capable of doing it.

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