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For me pope is worth a 1 or 2 year contract yes we need 2 or 3 main strikers infront of him now but he's still worth 10/15 goals a season even off the bench.
The last 2 years completely obliterate that argument, though he does seem to score 20-30 in seasons where he barely features
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Smith played 46 league games for us in L1, in a season where if Norman hadn't flogged two of our best players, we would have stayed up. Despite one bonkers and one useless manager., and an acid fuelle

My opinion on this is that what has happened today is what many have been crying out for in an age.  Since Adams left we have promoted from within apart from the Bruno experiment. How many of us

Very sad for Scott Brown and Luke Joyce. They go with my thanks for their efforts. Losing Tom Pope is equally sad but that’s the right decision. 

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2 minutes ago, 1 said:

“Right Manny, after much deliberation and agonising we have decided to offer you a six month contract and we’ll see how it goes.”

”Thanks for the medical intervention, it saved my career and I feel fitter than ever. I’m off to league 1, toodles.”

While a league 1 club may be tempted, his injury record is appalling and our squad injuries this season have been unacceptable. 

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I reckon with the setup we're putting in place we'll fancy our chances of getting Manny fit.

He's played three consecutive games, which I was thinking was beyond him.

I think we'll offer him a deal, especially if he features heavily in the last eight games.

As for Pope, I'd definitely keep him at the Vale.

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Keep

Brown - 1 year
Gibbons
Joyce - 1 year
Legge - 1 year
Smith
Worrall
Oyeleke - 1 year with an option
Pope - 1 year
Conlon
Montano
Robinson - I’d get rid but think DC will keep him
Taylor
Burgess - loan move
McKirdy - as Robinson, I think he’ll get 6 months
Campbell-Gordon

Release

Crookes
Cullen
Guthrie
Mills
Brisley
Whitehead (termination)
Amoo
Fitzpatrick
Trickett-Smith
Hurst
Visser
Scott

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why?
He didn't score for Bury against us did he ? 
I think I remember him scoring once but I could be mistaken

Edit: just checked and he actually didn't, so God knows what I was thinking of. You're 'talking crap' because it's Tom Pope and Pope lovers don't like facts
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9 hours ago, 1 said:

“Right Manny, after much deliberation and agonising we have decided to offer you a six month contract and we’ll see how it goes.”

”Thanks for the medical intervention, it saved my career and I feel fitter than ever. I’m off to league 1, toodles.”

The medical intervention was hardly an act of altruism on our part, was it?

It was an effort to one, look after an employee who was struggling through no fault of his own, and two, get a player fit who has a massive impact on how good we are.

If Manny performs well enough to get into League 1, assuming he sorts his injuries, we can hardly moan because we paid for him to be operated on when he was an employee + and we were desperate to have him back.

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7 hours ago, theresonlyonemcphee said:

Keep

Brown - 1 year
Gibbons
Joyce - 1 year
Legge - 1 year
Smith
Worrall
Oyeleke - 1 year with an option
Pope - 1 year
Conlon
Montano
Robinson - I’d get rid but think DC will keep him
Taylor
Burgess - loan move
McKirdy - as Robinson, I think he’ll get 6 months
Campbell-Gordon

Release

Crookes
Cullen
Guthrie
Mills
Brisley
Whitehead (termination)
Amoo
Fitzpatrick
Trickett-Smith
Hurst
Visser
Scott

Amoo signed a 2 year contract in the summer, so would need to be paid off/have another club lined up.

The Veteran Four of Brown, Legge, Joyce, Pope; all decent/good enough players, but probably four of our top 5 earners (with Worrall). They'd have to accept reductions in wages + lessened playing time for me to countenance giving them an extra year.

I think Legge is here regardless due to a clause, but I'd maybe look to reinvest the hefty wages of at least two of Brown, Joyce, and Pope. The work should (and will) be done now to evaluate whether we can afford similar quality for cheaper wages, or better quality for the same outlay.

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Definalty Keep:
Worrall - 2 years
Joyce - 1 year
Burgess - 1 year
Monty - 2 years
Manny - 2 years
Hurst - 2/3 years

Wage dependent keep:
Brown, Legge, Pope - 1 year each

Definalty Release:
Crooks, bris, Visser, Cullen, DTS, Guthrie, McKirdy.

Unsure:
Mills - he's actually looked decent under DC, and I imagine he's on peanuts, depends if DC backs himself to find better for the same money

Fitz - don't think he's done too much wrong, I wouldn't care either way but I'd potential give him another year.

RCG, Tom Scott and the 2nd year scholars - no idea, whatever DC thinks I guess.






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18 minutes ago, philmpv said:

I think I remember him scoring once but I could be mistaken

Edit: just checked and he actually didn't, so God knows what I was thinking of. You're 'talking crap' because it's Tom Pope and Pope lovers don't like facts

I'm not just making this up to cause antagonism but i think it was the first time we had Bury away after he left. And somebody two seats from me had a massive banner about him ( which is fair enough ) but i swear they were actually willing him to score against us.

Yes he's a Vale fan/Legend etc etc but once 30 pieces of Silver were dangled he was off like a shot. 

I think we've missed him as an option and in my mind he's been a magnificent player for our club but some folk are particularly blinded by the very name Pope .

The initial quote was Pope will get a hat trick against us, my response was like he did for Bury, yet i'm talking crap. Oh well can't win em all .

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For reference, the following players have got a contract next season as things stand:

Nathan Smith

James Gibbons

Tom Conlon

Danny Whitehead

Jake Taylor

Scott Burgess

David Worrall

David Amoo

Devante Rodney

Theo Robinson

 

Possibly: Leon Legge

 

That's probably 11 players all under contract. Considering Clarke has already said he wants a smaller squad, those who are discussing over 6-7 renewals are really capping how much of an impact Flitcroft/Clarke can have on things. Can we really afford a 4th season with the same spine, despite them underperforming as a team for 75% of that timeframe?

I think there's a good chance Whitehead is moved on, as he just isn't featuring at all. Burgess has similarly fallen out of the picture, and the early signs aren't good for Taylor. What's striking is that Clarke has quickly settled on three midfielders who were here under ASPIN. Not a single Askey midfielder is getting a crumb of minutes. Of Saturday's 11, 8 were here under Aspin. It's absolutely ludicrous and needs changing.

The rest of the squad is a decent, youngish core to build around. I think with this revamped approach to recruitment, Flitcroft will want maximum budget to work with and therefore will release as many as possible. If we're committing to this more proactive, data-assisted recruitment, we've got to back ourselves to identify the good players.

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Main Squad of 23

New GK1

Scott

Gibbons

New FB1

Legge

Smith

Brisley

New CB1

New FB2

New FB3

New DM1 (Griff type)

New DM/CM2 (more cultured deep lying player)

Oyeleke

Conlon

Burgess

Taylor

Worrall

Amoo

New Winger1

New AM1

Rodney

New S1

New S2

 

Release: Brown, Crookes, Joyce, Pope, Montano, Cullen, Guthrie, Mills, McKirdy, RCG, Fitzpatrick, DTS, Chambers, Hurst, Lennon, Bailey, Visser, Collinge

Olagunju and Swan return to parent clubs

Mutual Termination of Whitehead and Robinson

Sign

1 GK

3 FB

1 CB

2 DM

1 W

1 AM

1 S

 

22 out, 11 in. Supplement with a couple of loans and U23 lads picked from Category 1 Academies. Get a reserve team running to ensure minutes, and guarantee development players a % of minutes across the season in their contracts, providing we are above 18th.

Some of the released list hurts; Brown, Monty, Joyce, and especially Pope, but its win + promotion at all costs now and sentiment cannot blind us. The above 4 will be costing us loads. I'm trying to be as ruthless as possible.

Complete reset of the club, after what is arguably the worst (and, at best, 2nd worst) 5 year spell in postwar history.

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Keep majority after what I'm seeing under new leadership it just shows how Askey let the standards slip ,did he even monitor there fitness levels and if he did why were they getting injured so frequently or losing lots of late goals the difference in DC,s reign  is there for all to see they are all being able give better performance levels due to being fitter it's actually a joy watch the Vale the question for me why has it took 35 games 18 of which were thrown away to realise that  optimum fitness is required and the last 3 winning games the fitness and quality which would be allowed to show as we can get to the ball quicker has shown that these players are good enough in fact I'd boldly say these players could win us the league if DC had them all season .

So keep the majority and lets have 8 more performances like saturday 

UTV 

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You have to have a squad of players capable of giving you thirty games plus a season. I suppose this is done by getting the right players and ensuring they are managed correctly and with the right level of fitness. It would seem DC demands this! Looking at the Crawley game we were all over them surrounding them when they had the ball it was so good to see after some of the turgid performances this season. After some of the most depressing performances I have witnessed over the fifty odd years I have watched the Vale I have at last got some hope, and looking forward to better times.

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Keep majority after what I'm seeing under new leadership it just shows how Askey let the standards slip ,did he even monitor there fitness levels and if he did why were they getting injured so frequently or losing lots of late goals the difference in DC,s reign  is there for all to see they are all being able give better performance levels due to being fitter it's actually a joy watch the Vale the question for me why has it took 35 games 18 of which were thrown away to realise that  optimum fitness is required and the last 3 winning games the fitness and quality which would be allowed to show as we can get to the ball quicker has shown that these players are good enough in fact I'd boldly say these players could win us the league if DC had them all season .
So keep the majority and lets have 8 more performances like saturday 
UTV 

No no no no we’ve fallen into this trap before. This squad has been in multiple relegation battles so a couple of wins doesn’t change anything for me. Big clear out needed
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Some of these players' ability to embarass this club with diabolical performances and have fans genuinely losing sleep over the prospect of oblivion, only to pull it out of the bag when a new manager comes in, is almost impressive. Three of the last four seasons. It's tiring. Fans were on here 3 weeks ago worried sick.

I'm had enough of the cycle. They're not bad players or bad lads, but its time to reset the wheel. Last three games have been a marked improvement but that doesn't negate Kings Lynn, Tranmere, Walsall etc, or 3 wins in 23 and making serious mental preparations for the National League, or 2018 or 2019, with this not being an isolated incident but a recurring, bleak pattern of futility.

Askey was culpable, big time, but this squad of players fundamentally let this football club down (especially Carol, who had backed them so fervently and publicly at her own cost) and salvaging a degree of dignity/not being chased out of Burslem with some decent wins doesn't wipe that away for me.

If Clarke can do this with this underperforming squad, I'd love to see what he can do with some quality footballers who don't have a tendency to implode when a manager's cycle concludes. This squad were lost to me in that Mansfield game, when they basically threw in the towel and left us a laughing stock. Hard-working but shambolic defeats are embarassing but less infuriating; that Mansfield debacle was an affront to the supporters. We shouldn't be so forgiving, in my view. Cheers for, eventually, doing your job lads, but off you go. The supporters and Carol have deserved far, far better.

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4 hours ago, darren1810 said:

etc etc but once 30 pieces of Silver were dangled he was off like a shot. 

I’m pretty certain you’re rewriting history. 

Did Normong not offer him a frankly derisory deal with the intention of it never being accepted as part of his effort to force most of the players out to undermine and get rid of Rob Page? 

If your employment contract expired for you to then get offered comparatively Oliver Twist style terms by some horrible lying Scrooge bstard, are you seriously going to tell me you would describe yourself as “off like a shot for thirty pieces of silver” for looking elsewhere? 

To criticise him for leaving in those circumstances is pretty outrageous. No surprise his stalker Phil liked your post 😂

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