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3 minutes ago, southvale said:

Clark keeps having a dig at askey-'only 1 defensive midfielder' surely it's up to him to find players or coach them to suit his system? He doesn't know the best system yet, he is experimenting. Also, everyone seems to think we won't go down, in not so sure, we r pretty much as poor as every team iv seen in this league emoji849.png

Good points.......Where does he get a defensive midfielder from at this stage of the season ?

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Firstly the good bit we gained a point and it was nice to see one of the coaching giving Rodney some practical advice on the side lines.
The thing that worries me is professional footballers pushing the ball too far ahead when running with the ball. It happened a few times tonight and ended up letting them break away or a lunge which could end with a booking or worse. I think in all the years supporting the Vale we had our worst forward line finishing the game. Is Theo a gonna or probably not fit. How long before we get Pope back. The Pontiff might just be our saviour yet again.

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One of the problems we have is that only 5 of last nights starting 11 have had a run of games: Conlon, Joyce, Smith, Rodney and Brown. Of our "regular starters" Gibbo, Legge,Crookes and Monty have been out long enough to lose that sharpness. Swan has never played at this level before and Taylor has arrived from another club and not had a run of games yet. Plus it was a change of formation which is always a challenge when all the players are fit!

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Just calmed down, after witnessing one of the worst attacking home performances in over 60 years of watching Vale.The defence was sound enough but we couldn't even keep control of the ball at times. The forwards need to be involved to score a goal for christ's sake .That was dross and we could get pasted on Saturday,  should a repeat performance occur.1 bloody shot on target at home v a team below us ,tells the story.What a pathetic state of affairs the Vale are at the moment. 

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37 minutes ago, ELDERBEZZA said:

Just calmed down, after witnessing one of the worst attacking home performances in over 60 years of watching Vale.The defence was sound enough but we couldn't even keep control of the ball at times. The forwards need to be involved to score a goal for christ's sake .That was dross and we could get pasted on Saturday,  should a repeat performance occur.1 bloody shot on target at home v a team below us ,tells the story.What a pathetic state of affairs the Vale are at the moment. 

Only two games in , it can’t be the manager.  He inherited a bad group of players , for the most part. Summer can’t come quick enough. I feel that the standard of football in general has dropped in the last 10 years. 
Players are taught not to think for themselves from the age of 10, and they’re coached way too much about tactics and not being individuals. You  can see it every week in all divisions. Players don’t shoot as much as they used to. They don’t take a chance. It’s boring and predictable. If Ian Bogie or Gareth Ainsworth attended a Vale match now, he would leave after 10mins. 
Everything has become too sterile . I understand that the game must progress, but at what cost? This isn’t a slight on Darrell Clarke, not at all. The man has it all to do, and I wish him the best. 
The pandemic has affected the game,  and it’s fans , greatly , but it has been in trouble for some time , in my opinion. 
I hope that when fans are allowed back , we can see some better football , because whether it’s Premier League  or League 2, it’s awful to watch . 

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Was so looking forwards to the game and it turned out a damp squib. 

Stevenage played with a want a desire and we couldn't string 3 passes together but we hung on in there for a 0-0 .

I really do not know what say we could have told Clarke ,Rodney would not be able compete in the air v the very experienced centre half he was up against the fact Brown had about 20 upfield punts and they all came back I couldn't for the life of me understand that tactic when Guthrie is a better option surely yet he brought him on too late make a impact when I felt it was Rodney not  Swann who should have being replaced at half time as once again he did not in my opinion do enough .

Swann looked lively and maybe would have had a goal if Rodney didnt balls that fantastic through ball from Montano why he didnt pass when Swann would have being one on one I do not know ,wasnt happy about that at all we were hardly playing well  as it was without not punishing the one time we got behind them to yes it would have give us a undeserved lead but so what football is about scoring more goals than the opposition. Smith put Swann in and he crossed and for some unknown reason I'd have watch it again but Conlon seemed to duck instead of staying on his feet and heading home .

Joyce drove wide decent hit then Joyce went off injured so we brought on Burgess who I thought did well in a role probably not suited to him and nearly grabbed a absolute fantastic winner with a shot which looked a terrific hit to me .

Crookes defensively again terrific as were most of the team ,we blocked shots and did the ugly stuff well but I never thought we could not play with any conviction or quality going forwards ,some of the passing was absolutely terrible .

So for sat I'd like see more effort in passing the ball crisply to one another and if your going play hoofball from Goal kicks I suggest you play someone who may flick one on .

Theres players hiding on the pitch the captain is not in the game ,out of all the players you would expect the captain lead by example with great passing ,movement and desire .

When do you see one of our players taking the ball and driving into the box ,Gibbons v Grimsby etc and he is full back ,we need to be braver on the ball and win some games .

DC has done a very good job within 7 days at one end however at the other end it's being really poor let's hope Amoo Pope Worrall and Oyeleke are not far away from returning .

Just one ? For our manager ,why didnt you use young hursty at some point last night his positivity with the ball is required in home games and he can light up a performance with one positive bit of go for it play .

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New managers main job in first month or so coming into a team like ours...stop us losing.  By hook or by crook we stop gifting teams goals and become difficult to beat. Gain some confidence and then build on it. 

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It wasn’t a classic but some positives:

Clean sheet

Never really looked like conceding

Crookes was superb defensively

Legge and Smith back to the levels we expect of them

Burgess I felt played well

Negatives

Joyce injury, second half we struggled on the ball he’s key to that

Poor in the attacking and midfield areas going forward

Taylor was awful

Manny and Worrall could we be back to losing key players?

I can see what Clarke is trying to do though beyond the criticism, he’s trying to make us hard to beat first and foremost and in the two games bar maybe the last 10/15 at Orient we’ve been solid and not really looked like haemorrhaging the goals we had been.

That has come at a cost going forward so now it’s getting that balance right. If we can be solid in the next three we have a chance of picking up something against three tough opponents even if just a couple of points to keep us ticking along and the bottom three at arms length.

It will take time but we’ve seen improvements at the back, we know we’ve the ability to score goals so it’s about linking that all together now.

Probably need another 10-12 points for safety (maybe not even that) so hopefully we can pick up the odd win here and there and grind a few draws out to get to that target quickly and then we can start to focus on the job of next season.

Cambridge next will be tough all be it they haven’t been in great form the past few games so hopefully can get something from it. (1 win, 1 draw, 2 loss) we’ve actually picked up more points than them in that time.

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It seems Clarke is doing what Micky Adams did when he 1st came to the club by making us defensively secure and ensuring we gain at least a point. I like how he doesn't sugarcoat our performances like some of our previous managers. He seems to be assessing the squad and trying new formations whilst still keeping us more defensively sound.

Its up to the players now to show the quality he/we desires if they want contracts for the next season.

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Although its hard to watch, Im liking the approach that DC is taking so far. With key players back, it should improve, and if we can keep it tight at the back and add a goal or two we should see the season out without too many concerns. Its good to see Crookes looking like a decent player also.

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9 minutes ago, mikey said:

Although its hard to watch, Im liking the approach that DC is taking so far. With key players back, it should improve, and if we can keep it tight at the back and add a goal or two we should see the season out without too many concerns. Its good to see Crookes looking like a decent player also.

I agree what you are saying but there's only Worrall missing really. 

Because of injuries I don't think Oyeleke and Amoo can be classed as regulars or key players.

Unless you mean Whitehead and Fitzpatrick 🤣🤣

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2 minutes ago, darren1810 said:

I agree what you are saying but there's only Worrall missing really. 

Because of injuries I don't think Oyeleke and Amoo can be classed as regulars or key players.

Unless you mean Whitehead and Fitzpatrick 🤣🤣

I was thinking Pope and Amoo although lesser so for Amoo

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