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1 hour ago, Andy Proctor said:

I'd prefer Crawley at 3 aswell and he did bat well today aswell. Im not sure who we could select unless we pick someone like vince or Malan who have experience but not the best of test records when given a chance. 

It's always a gamble to include a new face but I liked the look of James Bracey who was involved in the development squads at the very start of lockdown. Otherwise, you'd have to keep your fingers crossed that Hameed may come back into contention after reviving his career at Notts. Or there's Lammondby at Somserset too, but at only 20, it's probably too early to consider him.

Having said all that the cupboard does look somewhat bare for openers.

I'd prefer Crawley at three and I do think we may need a new opening partnership. 

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46 minutes ago, TylerB said:

 

In Test cricket we have a world-class bowling attack, in the right conditions, and a couple of world-class players in Root and Stokes. Then there's not a lot to write home about. We just don't have another Cook, Strauss or Swann.

To be fair he have a cracking WK at the moment and Leach is probably the best spinner we've had since Swann (thankfully without the irritating "bantz" that Swann brings). Even though they're both out of form at the moment, I think Pope and Lawrence will both prove to have long Test careers too. Archer's also not there yet but he's got huge potential, I think.

Admittedly, a lot of my comments mention "potential" because they aren't there yet but I think the main problem with this Test is we picked a side based on entirely different conditions. One specialist spinner compared to three. 

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4 minutes ago, robf said:

It's always a gamble to include a new face but I liked the look of James Bracey who was involved in the development squads at the very start of lockdown. Otherwise, you'd have to keep your fingers crossed that Hameed may come back into contention after reviving his career at Notts. Or there's Lammondby at Somserset too, but at only 20, it's probably too early to consider him.

Having said all that the cupboard does look somewhat bare for openers.

I'd prefer Crawley at three and I do think we may need a new opening partnership. 

Are any of these players good at facing the quality of spin bowling that india are producing here. 

 

England have bowled allright here but haven't looked anywhere near as threatening as India did as they looked like getting a wicket of every ball and never bowl bad deliveries like leach and archer have in them. 

Broad is a fantastic bowler but his record in India is terrible something like 58 runs per wicket.

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2 minutes ago, Andy Proctor said:

Are any of these players good at facing the quality of spin bowling that india are producing here. 

 

England have bowled allright here but haven't looked anywhere near as threatening as India did as they looked like getting a wicket of every ball and never bowl bad deliveries like leach and archer have in them. 

Broad is a fantastic bowler but his record in India is terrible something like 58 runs per wicket.

Broad shouldn’t have been selected today. England have seen the pink ball and thought this will swing. Forgetting the pitches in India. Bess should have played over broad. Madness to only select one spinner in India 

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3 minutes ago, valiant_593 said:

Leech isn’t at test level. These wickets are made for spin. He bowls a good ball every other over. Just giving away singles and root has to have men on the boundary. It’s not difficult. Just do what Patel did. Pitch it in the same place! Useless 

Sorry, @valiant_593 but I can't agree with that at all. He has 13 wickets at 29 in this series - that's very much Test level. Who else would you pick? For me he's a class above Bess and Ali. The problem for me is that Leach is a good Test bowler, Ashwin is a GREAT Test bowler and has SUPPORT. There's no support for Leach to build pressure because the rest of the attack is seam. The Indians were able to put bowling partnerships together. England can't.

 

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8 minutes ago, robf said:

To be fair he have a cracking WK at the moment and Leach is probably the best spinner we've had since Swann (thankfully without the irritating "bantz" that Swann brings). Even though they're both out of form at the moment, I think Pope and Lawrence will both prove to have long Test careers too. Archer's also not there yet but he's got huge potential, I think.

Admittedly, a lot of my comments mention "potential" because they aren't there yet but I think the main problem with this Test is we picked a side based on entirely different conditions. One specialist spinner compared to three. 

Yeah, we have a few with potential, but as of now we're miles away from the team we had not that long ago. Leach is decent but still massively inconsistent and bowls far too many bad balls. Obviously that's something that can change and hopefully it will.

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4 minutes ago, robf said:

Sorry, @valiant_593 but I can't agree with that at all. He has 13 wickets at 29 in this series - that's very much Test level. Who else would you pick? For me he's a class above Bess and Ali. The problem for me is that Leach is a good Test bowler, Ashwin is a GREAT Test bowler and has SUPPORT. There's no support for Leach to build pressure because the rest of the attack is seam. The Indians were able to put bowling partnerships together. England can't.

 

I know what you mean but leach hasn’t once built pressure, this even with Bess and Ali playing. 13 at 29 for your frontline spinner I would say is disappointing. He’s not bowling a consistent line or length and regularly being pushed around for singles. I think ali is a better bowler just way short on match practice. Leech is better than Bess but I still don’t think he’s up to it. Anderson and broad built up pressure, gill was on 0 of 25 ish balls. Leech going at 4s on this wicket is awful. Commentator mentioned earlier that a spinner going a 2.5s on this isn’t good enough, it is on a normal pitch but on these wickets he should be bowling a consistent line and length and bowling maidens. Not overs going for 10 or overs with 4 or 5 singles. (Not saying Bess is any better). Our best spinner is sat in England in rashid. 
 

For this game I would’ve still picked him (with Bess) but I don’t think either are good enough although Bess has time on his side 

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2 minutes ago, TylerB said:

Yeah, we have a few with potential, but as of now we're miles away from the team we had not that long ago. Leach is decent but still massively inconsistent and bowls far too many bad balls. Obviously that's something that can change and hopefully it will.

I would agree with that. I don't blame him as he's been a cracking servant but I think England were perhaps expecting Cook to carry on a little longer (he was only 34 when he retired) and it's left a huge problem as there's been no-one at all who's looked Test class and can open. That in turn puts pressure on the middle order who are too often coming in with a low score and 1 or 2 wickets down.

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2 minutes ago, valiant_593 said:

I know what you mean but leach hasn’t once built pressure, this even with Bess and Ali playing. 13 at 29 for your frontline spinner I would say is disappointing. He’s not bowling a consistent line or length and regularly being pushed around for singles. I think ali is a better bowler just way short on match practice. Leech is better than Bess but I still don’t think he’s up to it. Anderson and broad built up pressure, gill was on 0 of 25 ish balls. Leech going at 4s on this wicket is awful. Commentator mentioned earlier that a spinner going a 2.5s on this isn’t good enough, it is on a normal pitch but on these wickets he should be bowling a consistent line and length and bowling maidens. Not overs going for 10 or overs with 4 or 5 singles. (Not saying Bess is any better). Our best spinner is sat in England in rashid. 
 

For this game I would’ve still picked him (with Bess) but I don’t think either are good enough although Bess has time on his side 

Fair enough, I take the point but for me he's never had anyone to build pressure with. When Ali and Bess played with him they still both leaked loads of runs so Leach has never had that chance to come in when the pressure is mounting. 

I like Bess' determination but I would actually say that he, rather than Leach, is sadly not Test class. The problem with Rashid is his dodgy shoulder probably won't stand up to five day cricket and probably not a series of five day games.

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2 minutes ago, TylerB said:

 

Desperately need a couple of wickets soon before they go past 100 if we're to have any chance in this test. We're not even threatening really so I can't see it happening.

I think it's all over for seam now the ball has lost its shine. That's the issue with day-night Tests. It rarely does anything after 20-odd overs. That, for me, was why it was madness not to have another spinner in there. Why not give Root a go alongside Leach?

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