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8 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

The fact is, loads of people on here have already written off this season.  So why splash out on a more expensive manager rather than see what happens with Pugh?  Bear in mind the current financial situation - there are limits to how much the club can continue to be subsidised by Carol and Kevin.  Let's just see what happens.  And don't say you haven't got an agenda, Joe.  Everyone has one.

I don't disagree at all with Carol's overarching approach, and I understand it - I just fear a bit for the way her comments have been received, that's all. There's a post literally 5 posts ago which accuses her of unambition as she's looking to go for Pugh (though I disagree with this outlook). I just think her comments could have waited.

My agenda stays the same as it always has - I would quite like to see Port Vale be decent (as does everyone). We're 19 years deep of this prison sentence enforced on me by my Dad, and I've got the 12/13 season to show for it, with two relegations and two administrations, countless charlatans in the boardoom, and enough protests to see me through my lifetime.

Maybe some view me as critical, impatient, overly-analytical, confrontational, whatever - but it's hard to go with the flow with Port Vale when my lifetime effectively corresponds with quite possibly the most ignominious period in the club's history (or at least, in living memory)! At least you lot have the 90s, whilst all I've got is Cornettos, Accrington away, EGMs, Sweetie Jars, and Stoke having their most successful decade ever. It's rubbish.

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18 minutes ago, Joe B said:

I don't disagree at all with Carol's overarching approach, and I understand it - I just fear a bit for the way her comments have been received, that's all. There's a post literally 5 posts ago which accuses her of unambition as she's looking to go for Pugh (though I disagree with this outlook). I just think her comments could have waited.

My agenda stays the same as it always has - I would quite like to see Port Vale be decent (as does everyone). We're 19 years deep of this prison sentence enforced on me by my Dad, and I've got the 12/13 season to show for it, with two relegations and two administrations, countless charlatans in the boardoom, and enough protests to see me through my lifetime.

Maybe some view me as critical, impatient, overly-analytical, confrontational, whatever - but it's hard to go with the flow with Port Vale when my lifetime effectively corresponds with quite possibly the most ignominious period in the club's history (or at least, in living memory)! At least you lot have the 90s, whilst all I've got is Cornettos, Accrington away, EGMs, Sweetie Jars, and Stoke having their most successful decade ever. It's rubbish.

Suffering is good for the soul, Joe!  Just thought, perhaps you’re the common factor in all this crap we’ve had to put up with?  It’s clear you are the curse!!  

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Couple of weeks ago they couldn't wait to get rid of him, now it's apparently all the players conspiring to get him gone
No he deserved to go. It's his responsibility to get the best out of the squad etc. He didnt. So paid the price. I have not changed my mind that changing the manager is the right thing to do.

However, I can also be annoyed that we have been paying some so called professionals a very good wage and they haven't been performing through choice. It then sounds like in essence these same lot are forgiven because they said sorry and now get the man in charge they want.

What happens in a few months if Pugh isnt happy with a performance and gets them in on a sunday? Are they just going down tools again because they want another manager.
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29 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

The fact is, loads of people on here have already written off this season.  So why splash out on a more expensive manager rather than see what happens with Pugh?  Bear in mind the current financial situation - there are limits to how much the club can continue to be subsidised by Carol and Kevin.  Let's just see what happens.  And don't say you haven't got an agenda, Joe.  Everyone has one.

Don’t sack a manager if you can’t afford to replace him. 

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No it doesn't, just cutting cloth accordingly. Most important thing is stay up, Askey was leading the team, results were awful, she has made a change which has had an initial impact - if that + addition of some new blood to the team keeps us up or even better gets us into the play offs its job done this year. The way things were going there was a serious risk of us getting dragged into a relegation battle.
Mate if you get upset because I've called the players snakes then I'm not sure how you've made it through 2020.

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And for the record I arent criticising Carol. She made the right decision RE JA and taking Pugh on may also be the right decision. Certainly not going to criticise her for being cautious...I just arent happy with the power these players seem to have. I'm angry about it at Port Vale, but it may not be just a Port Vale problem. Probably more likely a football wide problem.

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Looking at the shitstorm it's created, I wish she hadn't.
Furthermore, I hope those involved had the bottle to ring Askey and Kevan to apologise for costing them their jobs.
Not a chance theyve done that.

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4 minutes ago, Walter said:

Mate if you get upset because I've called the players snakes then I'm not sure how you've made it through 2020.

😆 bless, you think that you've upset me. I'm not upset, just pointing out that I think that you are wrong. We all love the Vale on here. I think that there may well be reasons why the players may not have been performing other than them being 'snakes' who downed tools to get the manager sacked. Not excusing them and they need to demonstrate quickly that they do care about results.

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1 minute ago, Walter said:

And for the record I arent criticising Carol. She made the right decision RE JA and taking Pugh on may also be the right decision. Certainly not going to criticise her for being cautious...I just arent happy with the power these players seem to have. I'm angry about it at Port Vale, but it may not be just a Port Vale problem. Probably more likely a football wide problem.

Players have always held the power and it goes on in all clubs all over the world, even Sunday morning Potteries and District, what happened at Stoke with Nathan Jones ? were they busting a gut, although Blakeman wouldnt bring that up would he ? to think it doesnt go on is naive. 

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12 minutes ago, PortVale4Life said:

Don’t sack a manager if you can’t afford to replace him. 

We can afford to replace him. We just can't afford to replace him with Mourinho or Alex Ferguson.

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1 hour ago, jjvale_03 said:

For those of you who've forgotten how it works at Port Vale, here it is:

New Owner 'saves us' from horrible old owner - no criticism or discussion about anything they say or do. Everything they do is wonderful and we must trust in what they say 100% or else you're a nutter despite the fact that if the same words or actions came from the  previous owner, they'd be vilified for it.

What nonsense. V2001 started out as saviours of the club before morphing into borderline criminal activity, nil-paid shares and disappearing chairmen. The change was remarkable. Power corrupts so it seems. Smurf again started out well but used the club as his personal plaything, threatening to put it into liquidation whenever someone disagreed with him. For both, there was scant argument that either should stay in control of the club.

Carol has started out remarkably well and has a lot of goodwill with fans, deservedly so. That's not a honeymoon, that's genuine thanks for what she has done against what came before. Whether that continues is entirely down to her actions; to be frank, if we still have a league club to support in ten years time I'll be happy.

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1 hour ago, Jacko51 said:

The fact is, loads of people on here have already written off this season.  So why splash out on a more expensive manager rather than see what happens with Pugh?  Bear in mind the current financial situation - there are limits to how much the club can continue to be subsidised by Carol and Kevin.  Let's just see what happens.  And don't say you haven't got an agenda, Joe.  Everyone has one.

Leaving an appointment too long may mean some potential managers lose interest or get other jobs.How long should we wait,do you think?One or two months?Until the end of the season?Why advertise the job if Danny is the chosen one?What if we lose the next ten games?What about player contracts?JA got the sack because we were ***t and players weren’t trying apparently.Wasnt Danny Pugh part of the first team coaching staff?

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End of the season is a good time to appoint a new manager. You can review their results over the season if they have been in work, and they might be more willing to compromise on wages and expectations if they are out of work. 

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1 hour ago, PortVale4Life said:

Liked her honesty and I massive thank you for saving the club (obviously) but didn’t like the overall message that once again were letting someone with no experience have a crack at it. We’ve been down this road numerous times and it’s not worked once, infact the complete opposite. The one time we pushed the boat out for a decent manager we got promoted. There’s a difference. 
 

If funds are so tight in covid then Askey should have been given the season. Not happy that Pugh has got this full season, basically airing that it’s just a complete right off and we will just see where we are come the end of the season. 
 

I guarantee if we finish what 12-15th then Pugh will have the job next year probably on a 2 year deal and we won’t progress. We will continue in this circle of just being stuck in this <ovf censored> league. Just stinks off a complete lack of ambition. Again. 

I think the problem with Askey having the rest of the season  was 6 points from 36 ending with a gutless performance against Mansfield.  Vale plunging down the table and no sign of improving.

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10 minutes ago, Howjy04 said:

Leaving an appointment too long may mean some potential managers lose interest or get other jobs.How long should we wait,do you think?One or two months?Until the end of the season?Why advertise the job if Danny is the chosen one?What if we lose the next ten games?What about player contracts?JA got the sack because we were ***t and players weren’t trying apparently.Wasnt Danny Pugh part of the first team coaching staff?

Who picks the team, sets out the game plan, reacts to the unfolding of the game, decides on when the substitutions are made?  There are always plenty of managers about, has the job been advertised yet?

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33 minutes ago, gavcradd said:

We can afford to replace him. We just can't afford to replace him with Mourinho or Alex Ferguson.

? Pointless reply. 
 

Nobody is asking for that clearly. But asking for a manager who has experience isn’t too much to ask!!! 

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