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It also shows how stupid some players are. To ring the owner and say words to the effect of “I know that you’ve invested £millions, given me a job for a few years and despite the pandemic kept us afloat, well , too be honest, I’ve not really given a <ovf censored> recently but I will now”. I’d go off my tree. 

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There's a few things that came out of it for me:

1) Blakeman actually did some journalism and pressed Carol quite hard with probing and relentless questioning. Refreshing.

2) Carol doesn't seem particularly motivated to even consider anyone from outside of the current coaching setup (mentioned slack within the academy which frees up the likes of Sinclair, Paynter and Griff). I'm not dead against this idea, but it was pretty surprising that she admitted to not looking at any of the applicants in detail.

3) Contradicting the above a little, Carol said something along the lines of 'some of the CVs have impressive references' - remind you of Bruno/Jose Mourinho?

The two above points lead me to one question. Why the hell is Carol having to get involved with this side of things in the first place? The last time I checked we had a CEO and a President (albeit I'd imagine at his age (rightly) that it's a non-hands on role). Are the guys in charge of the football side not in charge of the football side? Colin Garlick must have the easiest CEO job in the whole EFL. Nice bloke, like the rest of them, I suppose.

 

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Askeys methods worked last season and start of this, good few injuries, and covic cases, may be the luck running out, confidence levels down, and a possible internal interference in Askeys methods turn some players heads, Carol is obviously listen to someone and lots of mixed messages have been thrown around l personally don't believe many of the players go on the pitch with the intention of having a bad game, but if they are not fully committed to the way Askeys management team sets them up, that in my mind is where the trouble lies.

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9 minutes ago, CAVALIER said:

It also shows how stupid some players are. To ring the owner and say words to the effect of “I know that you’ve invested £millions, given me a job for a few years and despite the pandemic kept us afloat, well , too be honest, I’ve not really given a <ovf censored> recently but I will now”. I’d go off my tree. 

Me too Cavalier. I do hope that these said players don't think that Carol is a 'soft touch' so to speak because they have actually been treated properly and with respect. I would probably of not mentioned that in the media but privately such admissions would form useful backround information when making contract rebewal decisions.

It's effectively admitting to under performing and not doing your job to the standard required.

I reckon if 4-5000 people had witnessed the home peformances from the Kings Lynn game onwards, they would not be apologising they would be running up their own arses. Embarrassing from them, perhaps a little naive from Carol, more to appease fans to an extent maybe?

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She said a few things, no falling out but just a culmination of things going against us (felt like some games did in fairness in the 5 game losing run, then injuries after Bolton and Covid) and confidence and frustration and it just got to a point where it bottomed out.

Sounds like some are struggling with playing during Covid a bit, Pope I think alluded to this a couple of weeks back in his column. I had the choice to work from home and guess it goes cause worry, some younger players may live at home with parents who are vulnerable I don’t know. Did sound like Carol was slightly against playing at the minute and she isn’t the first to say that in the game.

Oddly most pre season favourites are really struggling, Bolton, Vale, Tranmere, Bradford and Mansfield so guess have to factor in the loss of crowds for these mainly bigger clubs as well.

I thought she spoke well.

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40 minutes ago, jjvale_03 said:

There's a few things that came out of it for me:

1) Blakeman actually did some journalism and pressed Carol quite hard with probing and relentless questioning. Refreshing.

2) Carol doesn't seem particularly motivated to even consider anyone from outside of the current coaching setup (mentioned slack within the academy which frees up the likes of Sinclair, Paynter and Griff). I'm not dead against this idea, but it was pretty surprising that she admitted to not looking at any of the applicants in detail.

3) Contradicting the above a little, Carol said something along the lines of 'some of the CVs have impressive references' - remind you of Bruno/Jose Mourinho?

The two above points lead me to one question. Why the hell is Carol having to get involved with this side of things in the first place? The last time I checked we had a CEO and a President (albeit I'd imagine at his age (rightly) that it's a non-hands on role). Are the guys in charge of the football side not in charge of the football side? Colin Garlick must have the easiest CEO job in the whole EFL. Nice bloke, like the rest of them, I suppose.

 

Agree with all of this. I don't disagree with the concept of Pugh seeing us through till the end of the season, but I hope it's not a case of 'hope Danny wins a few games and then appoint him, if he ballses it, worry about that then'.  I'd hope, a week in, she'd have narrowed her main targets down.

I also didn't quite grasp why looking for a permanent appointment would somehow distract her from this season. Seemed like a bit of a weak cop-out to defend her obvious preference of giving it to Pugh. I couldn't quite understand her point - anyone wish to clear it up?

I'm getting the feeling that the club is approaching this from an angle of wanting it to be Pugh, instead of him winning out a in-depth and rigorous application process. If he's a good manager, then great, who cares, I guess. 

As I've said - some of her comments about Pugh and the 'phonecall' haven't gone down too well. I get that she wanted to be open and communicative, but whoever advised her to say all this 1 win after a fractious sacking has probably not done her any good here, especially considering the overall reticence of the club since November.

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Agree with that JJ, and Joe.

I think she was trying to spin the ramifications of the £1m loss with the ' new manager dressing room disruption' reason. 

Which is not a bad thing. She paid a ridiculous amount to rescue it from numbnuts and she has indicated she will cough up even more to cover the pandemic losses. Fair play, her hands are tied. Zero criticism from me - but if we can stretch to managerial ambitions beyond Pugh, I would hope she secretly is giving deeper thought to an external experienced manager than the repeated 'I haven't even thought about it' comments in the interview. 

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40 minutes ago, Doha said:

I think she was trying to spin the ramifications of the £1m loss with the ' new manager dressing room disruption' reason. 

That makes more sense, cheers. I still don't entirely buy it - what's the harm and vetting and interviewing the outstanding candidates, and maybe one or two wildcards? Maybe it's just been a manic week and she hasn't gotten around to it, but didn't fancy saying it on the radio under a bit of pressure.

Pugh can hold it down for a couple of weeks - and if he strings together the wins, then sure, go for it Danny, you've got till May.

I have massive trust in Carol and her business acumen, and maybe it was just radio talk - but I just kept getting the feeling that it's Pugh's job to lose, rather than to anyone's job to win (I immediately put some cash on Pugh when listening). 

The players have been dropped in it though (and rightly so) - this phonecall will come back to haunt them if they continue to make a meal out of this season.

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Doesnt feel great that the players have essentially admitted that they stopped doing their jobs which directly resulted in the manager being sacked and our fall down the league...and they are being rewarded with getting the man they want.

I suppose that's football.

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To be fair, I don’t think Carol could do anything other than be supportive of Pugh. Folk on here have complained for weeks about players not playing for the manager so if she’d given a hint that he was just a stop gap until someone better came along how would that play out?  Let’s see what happens rather than jumping on every word and interpreting it in whatever way fits our agenda. 

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4 hours ago, Walter said:

I'm glad she has said it. Shows what we have got as players.

Big babies that down tools as soon as they dont like something.

They couldn't give a f*ck about Carol, the club, the fans or anything Port Vale.
 

Looking at the shitstorm it's created, I wish she hadn't.

Furthermore, I hope those involved had the bottle to ring Askey and Kevan to apologise for costing them their jobs.

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What word can we use for them not putting in a shift for the fans and manager for some time then? Unprofessional?
Did Carol confirm some players have apologised to her for their recent performances under John Askey?



That says it all, although, she was never and will never come out to say that they were purposefully under performing, it was very clear to see they were... few teams go from where we were during the tranmere game to where we ended up, without something going on.

I’m just glad that’s behind us and the players know who there are, Carol will know who they are and we’ll see at the end of the season what happens.

Onwards and upwards to salvaging something out of the rest of the season.

Welcome Jake once again, cracking signing
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There's nothing wrong with the players apologising to Carol. Her exact words (according to The Sentinel) were “The response I have had from players…I had players phoning me this week. I did have players phoning and apologising for not giving their all. They didn’t realise they weren’t but in retrospect they probably weren’t."
That doesn't mean they consciously weren't trying but merely that after the sht hit the fan, they realised that they could have applied themselves more, something we all knew anyway. Not ideal but happens in most workplaces. I don't always work my hardest and if things went <ovf censored> up at work then I'd apologise to my manager. Doesn't make me a vile snake or whatever the hysterical pearl-clutchers on here are saying.

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8 hours ago, Jacko51 said:

To be fair, I don’t think Carol could do anything other than be supportive of Pugh. Folk on here have complained for weeks about players not playing for the manager so if she’d given a hint that he was just a stop gap until someone better came along how would that play out?  Let’s see what happens rather than jumping on every word and interpreting it in whatever way fits our agenda. 

Carol was quite clear, in my view. I haven't got an agenda. I don't have any massive issues with Pugh, and have offered comments in support of him on the manager thread where he's getting stick. The players shouldn't need Carol saying nice things about him in order to do their jobs.

I'm not asking he is labelled a stop gap, but Carol said she wanted to focus on this season and that a permanent appoint would "distract from that". It should have been 'Danny is in charge for now and will go through the same process as all other 40 credible candidates', which is nowhere near to what she said. 

I have no issue with her being supportive of Pugh but it's very difficult to listen to that interview and not come away thinking this is now Pugh's job to lose. Pugh isn't a stopgap at all, but also shouldn't be at an advantage over the other applicants on the basis that he's lucky enough to be caretaker.

As I've said, it feels this is more a trial run, and not a caretaker job. That's up to Carol, and she is correct in that this is a unique season. I'm merely trying to understand what was, at times, a bit of a cagey interview.

I guess we'll see who the permanent appointment is.

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