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2 minutes ago, MBE said:

I really don't understand the negativity and over reaction tonight.This match was an ideal opportunity for Pugh to take look at some of the fringe players to see what they are all about with him in charge. It probably re-affirmed in his mind to try and move 2 or 3 on. I'm dead against Pugh getting the job  "until further notice" and think we should be acting quickly to get a new manager in but the club clearly don't...... so its Pugh unless we have another horrendous run of results . I can't see that happening during January as the players know they are playing for the future.

As for the game  it was more like a training session. We went with a game plan to hold our positions and stay with midfield runners to keep in the game as long as possible. Have a go at them towards the end to nick it or take it to penalties. I really don't know what some where expecting when we where playing mostly our reserve players. Defensively it was Ok but didn't keep the ball well enough when we got it back and it isolated Robinson up front. We had a couple of good situations in the 2nd half but didn't make the most of it with bad final ball or poor decision. Even the penalty stemmed from a a potential counter which we turned back towards our goal and made a poor pass. Is it just me or did Amoo look a bit stocky tonight??

I think there is definitely scope for some movement in the squad with the likes of Whitehead but I would also be seriously considering those less obvious like Crookes, Manny, Pope, Cullen, Robinson to try and improve our 1st eleven and match day squad on a regular basis.

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I don’t think he needed to look at some of them tonight to see they’re sh-te he’s coached for how long 

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1 minute ago, TJHValiant said:

It was just awful football. I paid £10, yet after 60 mins I switched over to see Sheff United v Newcastle as we were so bad. I couldn’t care less about those two teams! 

 

I was watching them both .... double ****.

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Joe

My first game was 1956 so there's no way you can cop out now, you are only just starting your sentence!!

Walka003

You named Hurst &Montano as having played most of the game. C'mon as one replaced the other you can have one but not both

I thought we defended well on the whole so the defenders you named as being first team deserve some credit.

Midfield better with Taylor hopefully full 90mins on Saturday.

Up front, you got me, Robinson played like he was self isolating. Amoo disappointing. 

Rodney and Worrall back on Saturday to assist Pope.

At the start of the season we seemed to have the mentality not to give up when s goal down. Getting that back is probably one of Pugh's biggest targets.

 

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30 minutes ago, dazzerjames said:

No point in giving him a chance this season , might as well get rid of him now . Every sub , performance , formation will be heavily criticised just because he’s not the people’s choice

I think your are spot on especially whilst Pugh is not confirmed as the manager.

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48 minutes ago, Doha said:

Bit of a strange comment. Strange in the sense of 'agenda' is a bit strong.

After what we've had to put up with over the years, what is so radical about wanting an experienced outside manager for once rather than the cheap option?

I wouldn't call that an agenda. I'd call it exasperated weariness. 

Not strange at all. I know you’re clever enough to read between the lines of some of the posts during the game. To me they indicate that people had already made up their minds that they don’t want him and that his side tonight is the final nail in the coffin to convince them that he shouldn’t be manager. Posters suggesting that tonight’s side will be an indication of the team he’ll play away from home is just crazy, that side will never play together again in a league match. Also you’re got the more obvious Stoke and Pulis digs going on too.

 

It would have been stupid to start tonight with Worrall, Pope, Monty, Taylor, Brisley, Brown and Joyce. Let’s not pretend otherwise and let’s not pretend that we’d have been happy to see another manager come in and go for it tonight to the possible detriment of Saturday. In the end yes we played poorly and it’s clear that some players can’t raise their game and force their way into the usual starting 11. But I think Pugh did the right thing and rested players who can make more of an important difference on Saturday. Let’s hope his choice is vindicated come 5pm Saturday. 

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I just can’t see Pugh as manager working, he won’t be afforded time by fans. One bad run of results and fans will turn against him, rightly or wrongly. The same phrases will come out; ‘cheap option’, ‘easy option’, ‘need experience’, ‘missed opportunity’, ‘need an external appointment’. 


 

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1 minute ago, SuperHuman said:

I just can’t see Pugh as manager working, he won’t be afforded time by fans. One bad run of results and fans will turn against him, rightly or wrongly. The same phrases will come out; ‘cheap option’, ‘easy option’, ‘need experience’, ‘missed opportunity’, ‘need an external appointment’. 


 

He won’t be given a fair crack of the whip at all. 

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4 minutes ago, SuperHuman said:

I just can’t see Pugh as manager working, he won’t be afforded time by fans. One bad run of results and fans will turn against him, rightly or wrongly. The same phrases will come out; ‘cheap option’, ‘easy option’, ‘need experience’, ‘missed opportunity’, ‘need an external appointment’. 


 

Let’s face it he would be a cheap option 

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12 minutes ago, Coyney Valiant said:

I don’t think he needed to look at some of them tonight to see they’re sh-te he’s coached for how long 

Makes me wonder what the previous manager did all day, did Askey have any input in coaching ?

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Won’t lose sleep over that, huge changes and they had the likes of Power, Gooch etc and threw on McGeady and Leadbetter.

Defended well in the main which was pleasing, annoyed at their first goal though as we pissed around with a free kick deep in their half.

Joyce, Worrall and Rodney play it’s probably a different game so no over reaction here.

What happened to Hurst shows the decision to rest key players was sensible, we lost a load in the Wolves game which screwed us over Xmas.

Whitehead was poor, Robinson didn’t take his chance although clear he isn’t suited to the way we play.

Taylor did well, Monty was good and thought Smith was decent tonight.

Overall good workout against top opposition but with the injuries we’ve had il not be downbeat at not having to play anymore games in this!

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Arguably every player deserves a chance under a new regime. But from that tonight can any of the players that didn’t play last Saturday come out of it saying they should be starting the game at the weekend against Forest Green? Visser, Crookes, Amoo, Whitehead, Robinson all spring to mind as players who can’t really go knocking on the managers door demanding to start on Saturday. Besides that there will be probably be at least 7 of them who won’t be regular starters anyway. 

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I quite liked JA and some of the football we played in his time in charge. His short-comings (only had a plan A, didn't react to opposition subs and changes in tactics) lost him his job. He came across as a "nice bloke".

The whole ethos on the football pitch is "too nice". JA always said "don't get too carried away when we win, don't get too down when we lose".

I've had enough of that. I want a Micky Adams type of manager that is visibly bullish when we win and goes ape <ovf censored> when we lose and gets a reaction from the players. Good managers rarely lose two games in succession. 

Add some steel in central midfield, ideally an Andy Porter type to stamp his authority on the pitch (in place of Joyce who has been poor this season) and we will start winning more games of football. 

I'm a fan of PVFC and I'm on top of the world when we win and hate, HATE it when we lose, regardless of the opposition or competition. 

I'll calm down by Friday (probably) but I'm not happy at all tonight with that starting team or formation. 

If we get a decent manager to instill a winning mentality into the players then we'll pick up and start climbing the league. 

I don't think DP is the man personally. He's effectively auditioning for the job and tonight was unacceptable, limping out of the cup with a whimper, no fight, against a bang average L1 side with a team full of very overpaid failures playing for them.

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48 minutes ago, MBE said:

I really don't understand the negativity and over reaction tonight.This match was an ideal opportunity for Pugh to take look at some of the fringe players to see what they are all about with him in charge.

Why would Danny Pugh, who has been at the club for nearly 4 years and has been a coach for 2, need to take a look at some of the players? He should have an absolutely perfect knowledge of every player in there. 

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