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1 minute ago, Iron Curtain said:

Agreed... but given that context, you seemed disappointed with the idea of Flitcroft. So much so you questioned whether Carol was “pulling the strings”.

Thats a pretty strong reaction is it not? Maybe I read it wrong?

There are stories doing the rounds that certain members of staff are having more influence than is perhaps appropriate but they may be utter rubbish - as most rumours are at a time like this. 

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Some interesting responses on here to the latest development. I'd like to add some context. In the past TWENTY YEARS we have only achieved a top 7 finish in the league... ONCE. This was under MA

Check out wiki.  He's run the family business with his brother and father for 15 years and has his own football academy.  He's not been "just" a player and manager.  In view of the amount of crit

The meltdown on here is laughable.  Please can someone tell me the success we have had in appointing a manager since Micky left? None. Flitcroft being appointed DoF shows our long term visio

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Flintcroft is Another Ex Macc player I'm sure a few will have something to say about that. I don't think we are going to get the perfect manager that ticks all the boxes carol mentioned and I dont think we are going to pay for someone already in a job. I'm also not sure we should moan about the man whose got the job until he's at least got the job.

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Just now, Jacko51 said:

There are stories doing the rounds that certain members of staff are having more influence than is perhaps appropriate but they may be utter rubbish - as most rumours are at a time like this. 

Agreed. Most rumour are!

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37 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

Either of them may turn out to be excellent appointments but when you look at their records compared with Derek Adams they just don't stand up. 

You're assuming Adams wants to become Port Vale manager. No point comparing records of people who didn't apply or want the job.

I saw you posted before he was interested in Bradford but it doesn't mean he is interested in us and things have moved on in terms of the season for Morecambe since then.

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There are stories doing the rounds that certain members of staff are having more influence than is perhaps appropriate but they may be utter rubbish - as most rumours are at a time like this. 
These stories and rumours are what's holding the Vale back,and getting on fans nerves how long has it been like this ? I feel sorry for Carol they will have to set up a lead lined secure room.


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Either of them may turn out to be excellent appointments but when you look at their records compared with Derek Adams they just don't stand up.  That's what I find a bit disappointing.  There may well be financial issues here - I fully understand that - but I would really like to know who is doing all the interviews and making the decisions.  It looks like Carol has said one thing then something different happens.  I may just be paranoid though - remembering our former owner's approach to managerial appointments!!  "I've been astonished by the quality of the applicants" which got us all excited then we got bloody Bruno!!!


Jacko51 who do you think might be making the decisions or is influencing the decisions?

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2 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

There are stories doing the rounds that certain members of staff are having more influence than is perhaps appropriate but they may be utter rubbish - as most rumours are at a time like this. 

Would seem sensible to chat with staff who have worked with any of the candidates, throw in a few non-runners to throw them off the scent, but doesn`t mean their comments will carry much weight.  Amazing candidates expect amazing salaries so maybe a eye-opener for the owners. Candidates that are going to win lots of games are also the most difficult to spot, being horses for courses.

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5 minutes ago, MBE said:

You're assuming Adams wants to become Port Vale manager. No point comparing records of people who didn't apply or want the job.

I saw you posted before he was interested in Bradford but it doesn't mean he is interested in us and things have moved on in terms of the season for Morecambe since then.

Do you know he didn't apply??

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On 23/01/2021 at 17:58, Joe B said:

 

Looking like it's Flitcroft or McGreal. Not much to choose between them but Flitcroft has hair, so I'll go for him.

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15 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

There are stories doing the rounds that certain members of staff are having more influence than is perhaps appropriate but they may be utter rubbish - as most rumours are at a time like this. 

Does this mean if the new manager starts to struggle we can blame Frank Sinclair again?

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1 hour ago, Caroline Oakes said:

 


Ambition or ability?? Every manager we have had has had their own ambitions.

 

I was thinking more of the owners.

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Is it just me that is completely baffled by some people's reaction here?

Unless I'm completely missing something, how are the rumours of Sinclair supposed interfering linked to Flitcroft? As far as I can see from their playing careers and time since retiring, I can't imagine they even know each other. If it was Heskey coming in I could understand, but it feels like people just shooting FS down without any evidence of wrong doing (again).

I do understand Jackos point of view, the clubs he's had success at have always had big budget, a luxury he's very unlikely to have with vale. He's also inheriting one of the worst squads we've had since the Bruno year.

But we have seen a number of managers go into Mansfield since Flitcroft left and fail completely with equally as big a budget as he had. That would suggest to me he is a decent manager. Not sure on his record with youth or his links to Prem/championship clubs.

I'm not sure what people were expecting. The Venn diagram of "people who tick all of carols boxes" and "people we can afford" will have very few people in the overlap. I'd be happy enough with Flitcroft.





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3 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

Do you know he didn't apply??

Same as you which is why I'm not comparing records to say why not manager x or y.

 

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IF it is Flitcroft I will happily take that, some of the names didn’t look good and can’t understand the negativity on here towards him.

Good experience which we need, working class Northern lad so probably gets the club/fan base and it’s meaning so knows what we expect.

He has a good record, not out of this world but solid enough. Yes he’s had budgets at a couple of clubs but a) that’s out the window now with the cap and b) we probably can afford to do more than we could in the recent past with owners we have.

People interpret Carols comments on success differently, what people define as success. Some will assume that means they’ve led teams to the top flight or won titles but success is a broad term. He’s had a fairly successful last keeping Barnsley up, a promotion, play off challenges.

Some hear Carol say that and assume Pep is en route to Burslem.

If it’s McGreal, not as sure but his Colchester sides we’ve very competitive (pasted us a couple of times), not had the level of success as Flitcroft but solid sides usually a bit ugly but with good wingers. May work well with us but I prefer Flitcroft of the two.

I do think whoever comes in and a squad of good enough footballers, some discipline hopefully comes on board with the new man and we can start to see a bounce and return of confidence.

I don’t agree that it’s the worst squad since Bruno etc, but it’s broken at the moment and needs fixing.

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PREFACE THIS BY SAYING I'M QUITE SATISFIED WITH FLITCROFT AND HAVE SIGNED UP TO FLITTY'S BLACK AND WHITE ARMY

22 minutes ago, Walka003 said:

Unless I'm completely missing something, how are the rumours of Sinclair supposed interfering linked to Flitcroft? As far as I can see from their playing careers and time since retiring, I can't imagine they even know each other. If it was Heskey coming in I could understand, but it feels like people just shooting FS down without any evidence of wrong doing (again).
 

It's a joke. No one is seriously suggesting it.

23 minutes ago, Walka003 said:

I'm not sure what people were expecting. The Venn diagram of "people who tick all of carols boxes" and "people we can afford" will have very few people in the overlap. I'd be happy enough with Flitcroft.

Unfair to lambast fans on this. Carol has set criteria, and if her appointment doesn't meet it, then it's hardly the fans' fault for being disappointed, is it? If we can't afford someone in her own criteria, she probably shouldn't have been so explicit.

Step 1 - Carol sets clear expectations on radio and in paper

Step 2 - Fans accept and move forward with clear expectations 

Step 3 - Manager doesn't meet expectations as we can't afford it

Step 4 - 'This is the fans' fault for over expecting'.

 

You couldn't make it up, at times.

 

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But please don't give me stick for 'being a moaner' as I quite like Flitcroft. I can just see why some fans may have gotten hopeful of something more exciting.

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