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3 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

Do you know he didn't apply??

Same as you which is why I'm not comparing records to say why not manager x or y.

 

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Some interesting responses on here to the latest development. I'd like to add some context. In the past TWENTY YEARS we have only achieved a top 7 finish in the league... ONCE. This was under MA

The meltdown on here is laughable.  Please can someone tell me the success we have had in appointing a manager since Micky left? None. Flitcroft being appointed DoF shows our long term visio

Check out wiki.  He's run the family business with his brother and father for 15 years and has his own football academy.  He's not been "just" a player and manager.  In view of the amount of crit

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IF it is Flitcroft I will happily take that, some of the names didn’t look good and can’t understand the negativity on here towards him.

Good experience which we need, working class Northern lad so probably gets the club/fan base and it’s meaning so knows what we expect.

He has a good record, not out of this world but solid enough. Yes he’s had budgets at a couple of clubs but a) that’s out the window now with the cap and b) we probably can afford to do more than we could in the recent past with owners we have.

People interpret Carols comments on success differently, what people define as success. Some will assume that means they’ve led teams to the top flight or won titles but success is a broad term. He’s had a fairly successful last keeping Barnsley up, a promotion, play off challenges.

Some hear Carol say that and assume Pep is en route to Burslem.

If it’s McGreal, not as sure but his Colchester sides we’ve very competitive (pasted us a couple of times), not had the level of success as Flitcroft but solid sides usually a bit ugly but with good wingers. May work well with us but I prefer Flitcroft of the two.

I do think whoever comes in and a squad of good enough footballers, some discipline hopefully comes on board with the new man and we can start to see a bounce and return of confidence.

I don’t agree that it’s the worst squad since Bruno etc, but it’s broken at the moment and needs fixing.

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PREFACE THIS BY SAYING I'M QUITE SATISFIED WITH FLITCROFT AND HAVE SIGNED UP TO FLITTY'S BLACK AND WHITE ARMY

22 minutes ago, Walka003 said:

Unless I'm completely missing something, how are the rumours of Sinclair supposed interfering linked to Flitcroft? As far as I can see from their playing careers and time since retiring, I can't imagine they even know each other. If it was Heskey coming in I could understand, but it feels like people just shooting FS down without any evidence of wrong doing (again).
 

It's a joke. No one is seriously suggesting it.

23 minutes ago, Walka003 said:

I'm not sure what people were expecting. The Venn diagram of "people who tick all of carols boxes" and "people we can afford" will have very few people in the overlap. I'd be happy enough with Flitcroft.

Unfair to lambast fans on this. Carol has set criteria, and if her appointment doesn't meet it, then it's hardly the fans' fault for being disappointed, is it? If we can't afford someone in her own criteria, she probably shouldn't have been so explicit.

Step 1 - Carol sets clear expectations on radio and in paper

Step 2 - Fans accept and move forward with clear expectations 

Step 3 - Manager doesn't meet expectations as we can't afford it

Step 4 - 'This is the fans' fault for over expecting'.

 

You couldn't make it up, at times.

 

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But please don't give me stick for 'being a moaner' as I quite like Flitcroft. I can just see why some fans may have gotten hopeful of something more exciting.

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I dont see why people are so disappointed with flitcroft anyone who believed we were going to get the cowleys or derek adams are deluded-

Most league one clubs wouldnt be able to affoed the cowleys never mind vale 

adams why would he leave morecombe at the moment for a team near the bottom fair enough if we were in a higher division to them but again deluded if you think he would want to swap to the vale halfway through the season that they are having 

i can see now that if a new manager comes in if we lose a couple of games they are going mad. If we can get pick up enough points to avoid relagation between now and the end of the season then next season is where we should judge whoever comes in. Because at the moment they are going to walking in to a shower of <ovf censored>. So now until the end of the season is a chance for them to look at who they want to keep and whos going to be let go in the mass clear out. If they can steady the ship a little bit and make us hard to beat then id be happy for the remainder of the season

 

carols vision is not going to be achieved over night we all know the horrendous squad and position we are in so lets give whoever it is time to sort this mess out.

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8 minutes ago, Joe B said:

PREFACE THIS BY SAYING I'M QUITE SATISFIED WITH FLITCROFT AND HAVE SIGNED UP TO FLITTY'S BLACK AND WHITE ARMY

It's a joke. No one is seriously suggesting it.

Unfair to lambast fans on this. Carol has set criteria, and if her appointment doesn't meet it, then it's hardly the fans' fault for being disappointed, is it? If we can't afford someone in her own criteria, she probably shouldn't have been so explicit.

Step 1 - Carol sets clear expectations on radio and in paper

Step 2 - Fans accept and move forward with clear expectations 

Step 3 - Manager doesn't meet expectations as we can't afford it

Step 4 - 'This is the fans' fault for over expecting'.

 

You couldn't make it up, at times.

 

This is fair, but we must remember that “success”, as an example, is a fungible concept. Carol never said “the new manger will have 2 promotions and will have never finished lower than 6th”

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Vale fans love a good moan don’t they. They could be having Danny Pugh but it looks like we’re getting a good proven league 2 manager but that’s not good enough!

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Personally just hoping it isn't Jurgen Klopp. His record over the last month is awful. Heard Pugh was pushing for Guardiola who he once drank red wine with. Thought it was disgusting that Sinclair was trying to influence Carol to give Frank Lampard junior the job. There people have too much influence and no interest in the club.

In the real world I remember reading an article that showed most premier league managers with 50 games had almost no difference in points won. I don't hold with the view we have a poor squad - we have a squad who lost form and confidence in November. That and a bad run of players unavailable will change. We've also had one of those runs where nearly every mistake gets punished. All players make mistakes every game but normally get away with it. Where I do see a problem is whichever pair of centrehalves we play they don't see to be working as a pair. 

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Seems that you are the drama queen here "dazzer"! - I merely offered the suggestion that maybe (did you happen to notice the question mark at the end?!) Pugh and Pope's views had been taken into account, as they have previous experience of Flitcroft's management, and Carol has extolled both of their input at different points since she took charge.

Struck the old chord there ‘kid’ . Settle down , I was amused by the comment just not one for conspiracy theories myself.

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10 hours ago, TylerB said:

 

We're a dog <ovf censored> side with thoroughly decent but skint owners, in the middle of a pandemic.

Flitcroft is among the best we can realistlcally hope for.

Skint owners?? really

ok

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9 hours ago, Jacko51 said:

“So it has to be someone with that proven record – and it will be a manager with a proven record of success.”
 

That’s what Carol said. I don’t actually see that either of these guys matches that description. Bit disappointing. Who is pulling the strings on this appointment? 

I have no idea Jean but if it is Flitcroft maybe Pugh and Pope have had their say on it,i guess he has had success(not compared to Adams though) but with money,this has been our one big chance to get in someone with really proven history as we know the next manager after this one will be Pugh and not sure if we are doing it.

Dont get me wrong i will back whoever it is and i am sure they will prove to be better than Askey and Pugh or what was the point of sacking Askey,i will be more deflated with McGreal than Flitcroft though i think.

I looked back on Flitcrofts time at some of his teams and i did notice that he brings Academy players in to the squad and the majority of his loans were from Championship and Premier league teams,2 of his best ones were Jorge Grant and Tyler Walker at Mansfield from Forest(i guess he will like that we use them).

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All this talk of bringing the youth team players through and giving them a chance yet no one as stopped to think are they good enough to step up they have won 3 games in 2 seasons so I wouldn't expect a wave of kids coming through the ranks just yet it's going to take time.

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8 hours ago, valerule4ever said:

Is it possible Flitcroft May also know Colin Garlick from his time at Rochdale?  For me Flitcroft is a steady lower league manager who has a promotion on his CV(all be it with  Bury’s overspending) also was he not on course for promotion with Swindon before his departure to Mansfield? He might not be somebody whose appointment would excite everybody but for me he would be an okay appointment for where we are now, but in our position he is probably the best you are going to get if you want experience. Not sure McGreal would excite me too much though as not convinced he fits Carols proven sucess statement.

Flitcroft nowhere near my first choice BUT will he be as bad as some think,not sure swindon were loaded when he had them in 7th before leaving for more money at Mansfield and the knowledge of being able to get better players,got them to the play offs and it's a lottery in those,he could of had another promotion there but then he wouldn't of been sacked,also on the subject of money,you still have to get the players playing together etc,we have seen many many teams spend and spend in all divisions yet still finish half way down or worse,so you still have to be able to manage the team.

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8 hours ago, valiant_593 said:

Excellent numbers big budget or not we’ve seen where a big budget can sometimes get you in this league

Totally... and we also saw what happened when someone else took over Flitcrofts Mansfield squad. 

Big budget or not, they need managing... and does it also show he can control a dressing room full of egos maybe?

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