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2 hours ago, Mario said:

They don't need to know anything and as for keeping their mouths shut ....no chance with our players record on twitter.

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8 minutes ago, Iron Curtain said:

Flitcrofts win rations are:

Barnsley: 31.1% with a shocking team

Bury: 40.8%

Swindon: 50%

Mansfield: 38.2%
 

Those are good numbers. 

Also a variety of working conditions/outcomes thus broadening his experience, basis of a conversation with the interview panel on how he will operate and develop the Vale. Will have to be adaptable, results are required both for stability and promotion, football style may have to come later to establish the Vale back in L1.

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2 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

I suspect that is part of the problem here - we can't afford someone who ticks them all.

Agreed... but given that context, you seemed disappointed with the idea of Flitcroft. So much so you questioned whether Carol was “pulling the strings”.

Thats a pretty strong reaction is it not? Maybe I read it wrong?

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5 minutes ago, Iron Curtain said:

That goes without saying Jacko, everyone would say the same.

Im going to respectfully push for an answer on the success criteria you mentioned... Flitcroft has that doesn’t he? 

I'm going to respectfully ignore your question!

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9 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

To be fair to Carol, I wouldn't have her job at the moment for all the tea in China.  She will not please everyone and this is the first time she has been faced with making this sort of appointment.  She will, no doubt, have taken soundings from other folk but in the end, the buck stops with her.  That's why I hope whatever appointment she makes turns out to be a roaring success.  She deserves nothing less.

Yes . I do agree . Come on the vale. Good Luck for tomorrow’s game. We need 3 points. And hopefully back on track. 

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1 minute ago, Iron Curtain said:

Agreed... but given that context, you seemed disappointed with the idea of Flitcroft. So much so you questioned whether Carol was “pulling the strings”.

Thats a pretty strong reaction is it not? Maybe I read it wrong?

There are stories doing the rounds that certain members of staff are having more influence than is perhaps appropriate but they may be utter rubbish - as most rumours are at a time like this. 

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Flintcroft is Another Ex Macc player I'm sure a few will have something to say about that. I don't think we are going to get the perfect manager that ticks all the boxes carol mentioned and I dont think we are going to pay for someone already in a job. I'm also not sure we should moan about the man whose got the job until he's at least got the job.

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Just now, Jacko51 said:

There are stories doing the rounds that certain members of staff are having more influence than is perhaps appropriate but they may be utter rubbish - as most rumours are at a time like this. 

Agreed. Most rumour are!

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37 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

Either of them may turn out to be excellent appointments but when you look at their records compared with Derek Adams they just don't stand up. 

You're assuming Adams wants to become Port Vale manager. No point comparing records of people who didn't apply or want the job.

I saw you posted before he was interested in Bradford but it doesn't mean he is interested in us and things have moved on in terms of the season for Morecambe since then.

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There are stories doing the rounds that certain members of staff are having more influence than is perhaps appropriate but they may be utter rubbish - as most rumours are at a time like this. 
These stories and rumours are what's holding the Vale back,and getting on fans nerves how long has it been like this ? I feel sorry for Carol they will have to set up a lead lined secure room.


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Either of them may turn out to be excellent appointments but when you look at their records compared with Derek Adams they just don't stand up.  That's what I find a bit disappointing.  There may well be financial issues here - I fully understand that - but I would really like to know who is doing all the interviews and making the decisions.  It looks like Carol has said one thing then something different happens.  I may just be paranoid though - remembering our former owner's approach to managerial appointments!!  "I've been astonished by the quality of the applicants" which got us all excited then we got bloody Bruno!!!


Jacko51 who do you think might be making the decisions or is influencing the decisions?

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2 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

There are stories doing the rounds that certain members of staff are having more influence than is perhaps appropriate but they may be utter rubbish - as most rumours are at a time like this. 

Would seem sensible to chat with staff who have worked with any of the candidates, throw in a few non-runners to throw them off the scent, but doesn`t mean their comments will carry much weight.  Amazing candidates expect amazing salaries so maybe a eye-opener for the owners. Candidates that are going to win lots of games are also the most difficult to spot, being horses for courses.

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5 minutes ago, MBE said:

You're assuming Adams wants to become Port Vale manager. No point comparing records of people who didn't apply or want the job.

I saw you posted before he was interested in Bradford but it doesn't mean he is interested in us and things have moved on in terms of the season for Morecambe since then.

Do you know he didn't apply??

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On 23/01/2021 at 17:58, Joe B said:

 

Looking like it's Flitcroft or McGreal. Not much to choose between them but Flitcroft has hair, so I'll go for him.

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15 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

There are stories doing the rounds that certain members of staff are having more influence than is perhaps appropriate but they may be utter rubbish - as most rumours are at a time like this. 

Does this mean if the new manager starts to struggle we can blame Frank Sinclair again?

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Is it just me that is completely baffled by some people's reaction here?

Unless I'm completely missing something, how are the rumours of Sinclair supposed interfering linked to Flitcroft? As far as I can see from their playing careers and time since retiring, I can't imagine they even know each other. If it was Heskey coming in I could understand, but it feels like people just shooting FS down without any evidence of wrong doing (again).

I do understand Jackos point of view, the clubs he's had success at have always had big budget, a luxury he's very unlikely to have with vale. He's also inheriting one of the worst squads we've had since the Bruno year.

But we have seen a number of managers go into Mansfield since Flitcroft left and fail completely with equally as big a budget as he had. That would suggest to me he is a decent manager. Not sure on his record with youth or his links to Prem/championship clubs.

I'm not sure what people were expecting. The Venn diagram of "people who tick all of carols boxes" and "people we can afford" will have very few people in the overlap. I'd be happy enough with Flitcroft.





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