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2 hours ago, Iron Curtain said:

I'd honestly be furious that the man she paid to control a bunch of pre-madonna footballers couldn't do it.

Everyone knows what football dressing rooms are like, its not like it is a surprise that they are volatile and can turn on someone quickly.

Iv'e just watched the second series of the Class of 92 and Gary Neville said when they sacked the duo who got them promoted, in his experience a dressing room can run out of energy naturally, it's not particularly anyones fault it just happens

He felt the two guys who got them promoted had run out of ideas and it needed freshening up, maybe thats what happened to Askey naturally, that group of players had run out of steam with him.

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57 minutes ago, blackdog said:

Iv'e just watched the second series of the Class of 92 and Gary Neville said when they sacked the duo who got them promoted, in his experience a dressing room can run out of energy naturally, it's not particularly anyones fault it just happens

He felt the two guys who got them promoted had run out of ideas and it needed freshening up, maybe thats what happened to Askey naturally, that group of players had run out of steam with him.

Probably by bringing in 3 or 4 first teamers each season a team can stay fresh and the manager keep his job, especially if the players who ran out of steam depart. However  not many managers seem to last at a club nowadays.

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4 hours ago, PV1973 said:

We see this time and time again throughout football, this isn’t something new. Player power is massive when it comes to managers, especially if they want the manager out. What can a chairman do about it? The levels of performance between Mansfield and Grimsby from some players was like night and day. 

Hardly surprising when we make five changes and try a different formation?

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26 minutes ago, Fosse69 said:

Probably by bringing in 3 or 4 first teamers each season a team can stay fresh and the manager keep his job, especially if the players who ran out of steam depart. However  not many managers seem to last at a club nowadays.

Another way of looking at it is the players play and the manager manages, if he can't manage the players and dressing room then I suppose he's failed.

It's not easy I admit, on the continent managers/coaches don't last long they get shipped out to refresh the club, not saying it's right though, but there are many reasons a manager fails, I wonder if any of the statto's could say what the average length of a managers stay at a club is ?

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It must be very difficult keeping everyone happy.

We no longer have a reserve team so anyone not in the first XI or on the bench can go 2-3 weeks without playing a game. Years ago the reserves would play as many games as the first team, home and away. So players were always match fit, of sorts, and knew if they performed well that the manager might pick them for the first team.

How you juggle 22 players and keep them all contented I really don't know.

Reading between the lines this seems to have been a running sore for us in recent months. Askey wasn't a big fan of Pope. Robinson clearly thought he'd be a regular. I imagine McKirdy was the same. They didn't sign to sit on the bench. Younger lads you can manage more easily and nurture them. Hurst and Burgess will play now and then and learn as they go along but probably not throw their toys out of the pram if they are left out sometimes.

The point above about most managers having a shelf life might have some truth in it.

I have no real preference if we go for young or old, long in the tooth or inexperienced reserve team coach looking for a leg up. We can pick and choose our examples to best fit our preference. There is no right answer. As the Vale Ale lads pointed out, many in our league are in their first jobs and doing well. Graham Taylor was 28 when he took over at Lincoln, where he got them promoted and scoring over 100 goals. 

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24 minutes ago, For Us All said:

Hardly surprising when we make five changes and try a different formation?

But then again Askey played 4-4-2 against Carlisle and we were rubbish. 

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7 minutes ago, PV1973 said:

But then again Askey played 4-4-2 against Carlisle and we were rubbish. 

With the weakest midfield available, no wonder we were overrun. 

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2 hours ago, blackdog said:

Iv'e just watched the second series of the Class of 92 and Gary Neville said when they sacked the duo who got them promoted, in his experience a dressing room can run out of energy naturally, it's not particularly anyones fault it just happens

He felt the two guys who got them promoted had run out of ideas and it needed freshening up, maybe thats what happened to Askey naturally, that group of players had run out of steam with him.

I'm curious to know under which of the many managers he played for, Gary Neville has experienced this.

I'm not saying he's wrong but I'd imagine he has about the same amount of experience of this happening as most of the rest of us do.

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5 minutes ago, wotsyobeef said:

I'm curious to know under which of the many managers he played for, Gary Neville has experienced this.

I'm not saying he's wrong but I'd imagine he has about the same amount of experience of this happening as most of the rest of us do.

His managerial career wasn't  a great success either?

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33 minutes ago, blackdog said:

Another way of looking at it is the players play and the manager manages, if he can't manage the players and dressing room then I suppose he's failed.

It's not easy I admit, on the continent managers/coaches don't last long they get shipped out to refresh the club, not saying it's right though, but there are many reasons a manager fails, I wonder if any of the statto's could say what the average length of a managers stay at a club is ?

Championship managers lasted 374 days 2019,

How Has The Life Span of a Premier League and Championship Manager Changed In The Last 10 Years? (sqaf.club)

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1 hour ago, PV1973 said:

But then again Askey played 4-4-2 against Carlisle and we were rubbish. 

Six of those Vale players in that match didn't play against Grimsby either.

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21 minutes ago, For Us All said:

Six of those Vale players in that match didn't play against Grimsby either.

It goes round in circles.... Those 6 should have been hungry to stake a place to the starting 11. Plus of those 6 we had Clark and Legge in team who are quality at this level on their day,  Burgess was also one of the consistent performers of last season and the much maligned Robinson isn’t inexperienced at this level either. 

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Managerial jobs are just shorter now. A combination of a few things. A lot of 'cycles' naturally conclude, with the manager's ideas/motivation getting stale and the players becoming a bit too comfortable. Add in additional player power, and greater pressure due to heightened financial demands too. 

It happened to Pochettino at Spurs, Guardiola usually leaves after 3-4 seasons, Mourinho can't hold a job for more than 4-5 years. Just the norm, now. 

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1 hour ago, Joe B said:

Managerial jobs are just shorter now. A combination of a few things. A lot of 'cycles' naturally conclude, with the manager's ideas/motivation getting stale and the players becoming a bit too comfortable. Add in additional player power, and greater pressure due to heightened financial demands too. 

It happened to Pochettino at Spurs, Guardiola usually leaves after 3-4 seasons, Mourinho can't hold a job for more than 4-5 years. Just the norm, now. 

Which makes player recruitment more of a club function,  than being left to the current team manager.  So the club decides on the playing style, recruits players to suit and employs a match motivator on a temporary basis. When the players fancy a change so be it. There are snags of course some clubs are rubbish on recruitment and need a strong manager to break out of  long periods without success, even at the top of the tree.

 

 

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Sounds very much to me that danny pugh has got it for the remainder of the season! If thats the case lets get behind him and try and make the most of this season. then we can look at again over the summer

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4 minutes ago, Vale1995 said:

Sounds very much to me that danny pugh has got it for the remainder of the season! If thats the case lets get behind him and try and make the most of this season. then we can look at again over the summer

Absolutely, we need to get behind the team now and stop all the NEGATIVE comments on here.

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