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40 minutes ago, Nofinikea said:

If you read between the lines of that article it becomes even clearer that Askey was shafted and it looks like Pope was involved.

JA was thrown under the bus. In all fairness to Tom, Askey has wanted to get himout of the door since becoming manager, they don't get on, JA did not like his influence, he ctiticised Tom's fitness and lifestyle and dropped him on numerous occasions. JA should possibly have shown Tom some respect, he was always on a loser with Tom and fans of Tom, like me.

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1 hour ago, werstayinup said:

Just been reading Popes piece in the sentinel today and from that it seems like the players want Pugh(i do know he is liked by all at the club,not sure if thats a good thing or not)

I don’t want the manager liked, I want him respected. You just have to listen to ex players like yates talk about adams. He has loads of respect for him, but they knew where they stood if they didn’t perform. 

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8 minutes ago, pete vale said:

JA was thrown under the bus. In all fairness to Tom, Askey has wanted to get himout of the door since becoming manager, they don't get on, JA did not like his influence, he ctiticised Tom's fitness and lifestyle and dropped him on numerous occasions. JA should possibly have shown Tom some respect, he was always on a loser with Tom and fans of Tom, like me.

Respect? Maybe a pro should look after himself better and have a better lifestyle. I was no fan of askey but sorry not having that. If your a pro footballer and can’t look after yourself you should pack it in. I’d 100% be looking to move pope on this window and all the others who gave 0% effort recently 

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2 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

Tom Pope is not bigger than the club.  An excellent servant without doubt, but not bigger than the club.  No one is.

Exactly. His articles come across as if he’s the boss of vale. Maybe should concentrate on turning up when selected? 

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The problem is that he probably is in all but title. His article is the complete opposite of his article when aspo (I'll never sub tom pope) left. He wants pugh to get the job cos he knows he can lean on him to play him. For me, the sooner he's out of the club the better for all. It's not rocket science to see that the one full season that we've done well out of the last 3 is the one in which we had a manager who saw beyond Pope.

Exactly. His articles come across as if he’s the boss of vale. Maybe should concentrate on turning up when selected? 
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In terms of liking a manager and respecting them - I would very much favour the latter over the former.  It may be that the present squad "like" and "respect" Danny Pugh, but the "liking" bit may be to do with the fact that he is known to them, and they feel they may already have some influence with him - especially the senior pros, as someone say on here earlier.

I would much prefer a manager that players respect fro the way they go about things, their honestly, and their man management.  I remember watching a documentary on Brian Clough a while ago where they interviewed John McGovern, who followed Clough from club to club and was his skipper at Forest.  He said how much her respected Cloughie, but he wouldn't want to go for a drink with him, or socialise with him.  We need someone who can come in afresh, be sufficiently remote from the players not to get emotional about dropping them when they are gash, and handle the fallout when they spit their dummy out of the pram on being dropped.  A strong character who can rebuild this squad and make it competitive again is what we need. Not sure an internal appointment fits that spec if I'm honest.

 

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33 minutes ago, valiant_593 said:

Respect? Maybe a pro should look after himself better and have a better lifestyle. I was no fan of askey but sorry not having that. If your a pro footballer and can’t look after yourself you should pack it in. I’d 100% be looking to move pope on this window and all the others who gave 0% effort recently 

 

11 minutes ago, Lornelounger said:

In terms of liking a manager and respecting them - I would very much favour the latter over the former.  It may be that the present squad "like" and "respect" Danny Pugh, but the "liking" bit may be to do with the fact that he is known to them, and they feel they may already have some influence with him - especially the senior pros, as someone say on here earlier.

I would much prefer a manager that players respect fro the way they go about things, their honestly, and their man management.  I remember watching a documentary on Brian Clough a while ago where they interviewed John McGovern, who followed Clough from club to club and was his skipper at Forest.  He said how much her respected Cloughie, but he wouldn't want to go for a drink with him, or socialise with him.  We need someone who can come in afresh, be sufficiently remote from the players not to get emotional about dropping them when they are gash, and handle the fallout when they spit their dummy out of the pram on being dropped.  A strong character who can rebuild this squad and make it competitive again is what we need. Not sure an internal appointment fits that spec if I'm honest.

 

 

33 minutes ago, valiant_593 said:

Respect? Maybe a pro should look after himself better and have a better lifestyle. I was no fan of askey but sorry not having that. If your a pro footballer and can’t look after yourself you should pack it in. I’d 100% be looking to move pope on this window and all the others who gave 0% effort recently 

In respect of my earlier comments, I know for sure that Tom did in fact 'knuckle down' with his fitness. he is and no one will never be bigger than the club but please look around - since 2012/ 13 we have not had a better striker or player for that matter. Now perhaps the time has come for Tom to either move on or contribute less. But we would have been in the sh*t without him, Askey or not. The whole lot is again a shambles.

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34 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

Tom Pope is not bigger than the club.  An excellent servant without doubt, but not bigger than the club.  No one is.

Maybe  you could have a socially distanced chat to remind him of that ,Jean.

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If you read between the lines of that article it becomes even clearer that Askey was shafted and it looks like Pope was involved.

Also reads like Pope is ‘pleading’ to stay at Vale

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1 hour ago, Nofinikea said:

If you read between the lines of that article it becomes even clearer that Askey was shafted and it looks like Pope was involved.

People love a good conspiracy don’t they. 

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44 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

Tom Pope is not bigger than the club.  An excellent servant without doubt, but not bigger than the club.  No one is.

Goes without saying.

UTV.

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Just watching football focus now and Danny Cowley is on. Probably due to Lincoln cup exploits but he is rather higher profile than we ever have.

Sadly I'd imagine we've not a prayer of him being in the frame

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The same people who refused to accept that Askey wasn't doing a very good job after 6 points in 36 and think he was 'hounded out' by fans who can't attend games, are also creating conspiracy theories by combing through Pope's weekly column with a magnifying glass and working with the FBI to find evidence of some grand conspiracy, coordinated by Pope, ably assisted by McKirdy, Robinson, Clark, and Sinclair, with technical support from Carol's son and the inside mole in Pugh.

Vale.

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30 minutes ago, osprey said:


Also reads like Pope is ‘pleading’ to stay at Vale

Yes,I don't think he'd relish travelling to and from Scunthorpe for training?

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11 minutes ago, darren1810 said:

Just watching football focus now and Danny Cowley is on. Probably due to Lincoln cup exploits but he is rather higher profile than we ever have.

Sadly I'd imagine we've not a prayer of him being in the frame

Danny Cowley is distancing himself from the Wednesday job, due to their owner.

Unfortunately there isn't a prayer of him coming here.

There are three options

1) Older head coming off a bad job

2) Inexperienced fella with good ideas but a big risk

3) Danny Pugh wins the next two

 

Each one will attract ire. We just have to trust Carol's process.

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3 minutes ago, Joe B said:

The same people who refused to accept that Askey wasn't doing a very good job after 6 points in 36 and think he was 'hounded out' by fans who can't attend games, are also creating conspiracy theories by combing through Pope's weekly column with a magnifying glass and working with the FBI to find evidence of some grand conspiracy, coordinated by Pope, ably assisted by McKirdy, Robinson, Clark, and Sinclair, with technical support from Carol's son and the inside mole in Pugh.

Vale.

Popey will eventually get a coaching role at his boyhood club when his career ends and it will be well deserved.

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