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4 hours ago, sunny boslem said:

Because I’ve listened to the interview and it clearly says it won’t be Pugh and there now looking for a new manager 

Shhhh dont tell TylerB and ruin his dream of being right

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Some interesting responses on here to the latest development. I'd like to add some context. In the past TWENTY YEARS we have only achieved a top 7 finish in the league... ONCE. This was under MA

The meltdown on here is laughable.  Please can someone tell me the success we have had in appointing a manager since Micky left? None. Flitcroft being appointed DoF shows our long term visio

Check out wiki.  He's run the family business with his brother and father for 15 years and has his own football academy.  He's not been "just" a player and manager.  In view of the amount of crit

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4 hours ago, TylerB said:

 

I just want anybody that isn't Danny Pugh or best mates with some of the players in charge of the football club. A "Yes, Mam" man. Suppose we just have to accept the rest of the season will be a car crash and hope things actually start to improve on the pitch from next season onwards.

In my opinion the new manager will be a young and hungry inexperienced manager from outside of the club,the ideal candidate for me would be Murray who has been mentioned before but i imagine DF is also now going through all those who applied to see who is available so might not be cut and dried that it is Murray but it wont be Pugh

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37 minutes ago, werstayinup said:

I aren't an happy clapper and yes i was bewildered at first but thinking about things and listening to the interview i am changing my mind on this,the problem is we have never been used to this at Vale,so when things like this happen it certainly comes across as confusing.

Carol has always said she wants to be forward thinking so lets see how it goes before we all wait to rip it apart

That’s how I feel about it. I’m still finding it a bit strange that he’s not our manager when he would have clearly been a great fit for it. Listening to his interview I was very impressed he certainly seems to know what he’s on about. As I’ve read on here we’re not exactly excelling doing what we’re doing so maybe worth the change 
 

I do think now we will see an inexperienced manager come in (well head coach) 

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Just now, Coyney Valiant said:

Jacko 51 yer it was a load of crap as rudgie told it yer 

He didn't tell me, he told the BBC. 

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59 minutes ago, valeparklife said:

But Flitcroft was 1/8 at one point so could be irrelevant.

Well they were half right

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3 hours ago, valeparklife said:

False.

https://www.port-vale.co.uk/news/2020/january/club-statement/

"Colin Garlick, as Chief Executive Officer, will continue driving forward the football side of the business".

It's incorrect that Colin Garlick is some sort of admin guy. It's been his job for 4 years to improve the football side of Port Vale - which he has failed miserably.

I wonder where this leaves him now? His role is basically redundant after appointing a Director of Football.

And what is Rudgey's role now?

Hopefully the Sentinel will answer these questions (ha!).

In fact the correct answer is True: I appreciate that this may be difficult for you to grasp but I'll have another go at spelling it out for you.  It's the off the field football activities CG is involved in, whilst Flitcroft will be responsible for the actual on the field football side of things.   As an example, Flitcroft wound select potential new signings, CG would be involved in the paperwork to register those signings.  They will naturally have to communucate ad work together to some degree.

If this thinking is too deep and is still difficult for you to compute, to enable you to visualise this relationship, take a coin from your pocket, now look at it.  You will see there are 2 sides.  You may even manage to spot that they are different.  2 different sides, parts of the same coin.  Likewise CEO and DoF.

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24 minutes ago, Lornelounger said:

Whilst there will always be a bit of head scratching when a new system is set up in a club, Flitcroft as DOF seems to tick the boxes for me.  If that makes me that ridiculous phrase "a happy clapper", then fine, I am optimistic by nature.

1 - As stated above, proof that we are investing in a long term plan to improve the football side of the club long term,not just plucking another manager in to try and juggle all the plates.  No-one can accuse the owners of lacking ambition with 2 salaries being paid to get the football side right. If it puts some managers off applying, so be it - this model isn't for them, let them apply to a club which asks them to get results every week on the pitch whilst taking care of everything else to do with the football side of things.  Plenty of jobs like that still around, surely?

2 - We have a person who is widely experienced and respected at our level as an addition to what is already at the club, with a promise of a manager who won't be Danny Pugh.  Danny will probably get to coach and learn more about management, whilst working with the DOF and new manager. As long as they get the division of responsibilities right, that has to be good doesn't it? As Jacko said above, if Rudgie thought management was often too much for one person, we should take that one board.  Rudgie worked his sack off scouting for the Vale as well as managing and coaching because were skint back in the 80s, so he should know. Two wise heads with a keen coach who wants to be a manager one day should give us the much requested leadership, and a think tank. 

3 - A fresh pair of eyes looking at everything in the club is great.  Let him be critical of existing practices if it makes things better.  Let him ask why we seem to sign lots of players who are constantly injured and unavailable. Let him look at the academy's success rate in producing players fit and technically capable of playing for the club. Let him form an opinion of who is actually robbing a wage from the club with little return. He can be the non emotional, rational decision maker new to the club, with no agenda other than to improve it.  I suspect he might save us a lot of money in the long term.

4 -  I think the best person to be a DOF is a manager who has been in the position of asking himself "what would I change if I could to get more out of my club?".  If you asked most intelligent managers this, they would talk about getting quality players and the right pyramid at the club, and more time spent on long term planning - not starting from where we are now.  Crewe have shown how to do this. The best DOF will be thinking "I know what the manager needs" not because they speak to them regularly, but because they have walked in their shoes.  I'm not worried that he hasn't been a DOF elsewhere, he is an experienced, well connected football man who has worked at clubs better run than we presently are.

So welcome David, and good luck.  I hope this is the beginning of some real progress, and a farewell to the years of reactionary appointments, usually taken when the team was doing badly, and gambling on managers with fingers crossed. The team won't change overnight, but we should stay up this season (a few dazzling displays and wins would be nice though, just to encourage the fans). Then a summer ridout and let's go again, as a former manager used to say.   

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I don't understand all this vitriol about Colin Garlick, he's employed by Carol & Co not the supporters, if he sits all day twiddling his thumbs I'm sure Carol will have a word.

Smurthwaite has a lot more to answer for than first appears, he has left behind a culture behind that seems to be if there isn't a crises then create one, nobody on here knows what is done on a day to day basis at the club, yet everyone seems to know. 110% certain in some cases.

Leave Carol alone to run the business (The Vale) and support what she's trying to do, she's working to make the club better than it was, she's not doing it for her own personal gain unlike some of our previous owners. 

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Now they’ve secured Flitcroft, surely it must be break neck speed to get a manager in place now.

it doesn’t matter if we have Pochettino as DOF between now and the summer in terms of getting points on the board. Points we desperately need right now. To get what’s needed out of these players to avoid relegation, it’s time to swap Pugh out.

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Having thought more about this, I think it could work, but the choice of manager is even more crucial, and the sooner its sorted the better.

At least we wont go for a journeyman type manager now (hopefully)

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1 hour ago, Houston Valiant said:

We will never get results under Pugh, and he said himself that he doesn’t want the job. Why didn’t Carol just appoint Flitcroft as manager? It’s all a bit muddled. 

Too much work to do reshaping the club, also the choice of manager will now   be made by a manager who knows what the job is all about.

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41 minutes ago, Rampant Zebra said:

Interesting that Rudge allegedly did nothing at St*ke but it all fell apart when he left. 😂

So rudgie was responsible for the long ball tactics not pullis and pullis got all the credit wowww 

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