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I take no joy in his dismissal, he tried his best and it hasn’t worked out for whatever reason, there may have been “goings on” that we are not privy to, but with 5 mins to go in the Tranmere game were sitting in third place I believe, then it all went wrong..... ironically today a memory popped up on my Facebook page, it was Tom Pope celebrating after scoring at Man City, this will be my lasting memory of John Askey.... thank you for your efforts.

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Was somewhat fortunate to last as long as he did, and he can't say that he didn't have enough time to turn things around. Still, he was a good bloke and clearly enjoyed being at the club, at least until things started to go very wrong on the pitch, and I wish him nothing but well whatever he does next.

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3 hours ago, darren1810 said:

What has pleased me is that a lot of supporters who wanted him gone are still humble enough to say that it's a sad day and wish him well and thank him for his efforts. 

Pity everyone can't do that. 

Good post and I too thank John and wish him well.

I guess Vale fans maybe more than most (certainly since 2013) know when it's bad and know from experience when it is time for change.

For me signs were there with the poor recruitment this term, it no where matched the anticipation and expectations of all at Vale. There has always been an issue with JA and Tom Pope to such an extent jA was making an example of Tom, his lifestyle, etc. He was always on a loser with the Pope, rightly or wrongly imo. Tom has carried the forward line of Vale for many years and deserves his status as a club legend imo.

To capitulate in the way we have results wise and particularly defensively obviously points to a lack of squad cohesion and desire. There has been infighting and discipline issues which in the end have resulted in JA being 'thrown under the bus' to a degree, he has also contributed, mainly with piss poor recruitment (assuming he has signed the players), some notable substitutions and selections.

Striker wise we have as much goal threat as a wet fart in a paper bag tbh this term. There have been issues with fitness and injury to players notably Cullen, Oyeleke and Montano. Jake Taylor complemented Burgess and Joyce in midfield last term. Mitch Clark should be standing head and shoulders above most League 2 opposition (what happened with him?) we miss Gibbo and Brown could not continue his saves/ game ratio of early season.

Has the appointment of Frank Sinclair had an influence - some in the know say so?

All in all Carol and the board will have been distraught to remove JA who afterall has a family legacy at VP and cares passionately about Vale, he's no different than me in that respect though.

Financially the Shanahan's must be crippled with having to pay the 'Fat Controller' £1.6-1.8M per year, add the lost £1M revenue from Covid, wasting 2 years wages on Robinson (allegedly £2K a week?), probably laying out £250-£300K to Askey and Kevean over a period of time. We are in the <ovf censored>.

Next manager: No chance of affording Graeme Alexander (my choice), Derek Adams offers potential, stay away from has-beens like Allen and Grayson. I'd consult John Rudge personally, even give MA a bell. Both he and Horton would kick some arse short-term.

I believe and trust Carol and the board will make the right decision to match their ambitions for the Vale, it will come at a cost, everything does but in football there are no guarantees, of that you can be sure.

Another sad day for all at Port Vale

 

 

 

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I think that the vast majority Vale fans will be saddened tonight. Askey seemed an ideal fit and maybe we got a bit ahead of ourselves last summer and expectations got over-inflated?? I don’t know.

What I do know is that it’s probably a good job for the players that fans aren’t allowed in because it would be a very toxic atmosphere. 

We know that there is a half-decent team in there somewhere, so maybe a hard task-master / disciplinarian like Parkinson is exactly what we need??

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12 minutes ago, pete vale said:

Good post and I too thank John and wish him well.

I guess Vale fans maybe more than most (certainly since 2013) know when it's bad and know from experience when it is time for change.

For me signs were there with the poor recruitment this term, it no where matched the anticipation and expectations of all at Vale. There has always been an issue with JA and Tom Pope to such an extent jA was making an example of Tom, his lifestyle, etc. He was always on a loser with the Pope, rightly or wrongly imo. Tom has carried the forward line of Vale for many years and deserves his status as a club legend imo.

To capitulate in the way we have results wise and particularly defensively obviously points to a lack of squad cohesion and desire. There has been infighting and discipline issues which in the end have resulted in JA being 'thrown under the bus' to a degree, he has also contributed, mainly with piss poor recruitment (assuming he has signed the players), some notable substitutions and selections.

Striker wise we have as much goal threat as a wet fart in a paper bag tbh this term. There have been issues with fitness and injury to players notably Cullen, Oyeleke and Montano. Jake Taylor complemented Burgess and Joyce in midfield last term. Mitch Clark should be standing head and shoulders above most League 2 opposition (what happened with him?) we miss Gibbo and Brown could not continue his saves/ game ratio of early season.

Has the appointment of Frank Sinclair had an influence - some in the know say so?

All in all Carol and the board will have been distraught to remove JA who afterall has a family legacy at VP and cares passionately about Vale, he's no different than me in that respect though.

Financially the Shanahan's must be crippled with having to pay the 'Fat Controller' £1.6-1.8M per year, add the lost £1M revenue from Covid, wasting 2 years wages on Robinson (allegedly £2K a week?), probably laying out £250-£300K to Askey and Kevean over a period of time. We are in the <ovf censored>.

Next manager: No chance of affording Graeme Alexander (my choice), Derek Adams offers potential, stay away from has-beens like Allen and Grayson. I'd consult John Rudge personally, even give MA a bell. Both he and Horton would kick some arse short-term.

I believe and trust Carol and the board will make the right decision to match their ambitions for the Vale, it will come at a cost, everything does but in football there are no guarantees, of that you can be sure.

Another sad day for all at Port Vale

 

 

 

A lovely post here, with some heartfelt words that most Vale fans would second. I'll differ slightly with some of the managerial replacement opinions,  but I guess that we're all entitled to that in the interest of encouraging healthy fans debate. Carol needs to, and surely will take advice, because  choosing a football manager is a totally different challenge to appointing a general manager than in any other business,  where normal rules of corporate selection don't apply. 

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Am completed gutted. Saw John as Vale manager for many years. Decent bloke and club in his heart. Some truths need to be published as to what the 'circumstances' were as he referred to in post Mansfield interview. Am 100% things would have changed with injured players back. Just needed John to convince Carol to pay off Whitehead, Crookes and Miles and bring in two defenders and a young striker. Things won't improve and thanks to John Askey and Dave Kevan for the good times. 

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49 minutes ago, Nightwish said:

Just needed John to convince Carol to pay off Whitehead, Crookes and Miles and bring in two defenders and a young striker.

So you want John Askey to convince his boss to part with her hard earned cash to pay off 3 players he had signed, before the end of the contracts he had signed them to, because they're not good enough? Do you understand why Carol might be hesitant to pay off bad players Askey had signed, and then give Askey MORE money to sign players with?

49 minutes ago, Nightwish said:

 Things won't improve and thanks to John Askey and Dave Kevan for the good times. 

And follow it up with this. I like Askey but you're doing Carol Shanahan a huge disservice by saying we/she can't do any better than John Askey, and really playing Port Vale down. Have some optimism. We'll be sound.

I get we're all disappointed but come on lads.

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6 hours ago, WV said:

Carol is a complete novice when it comes to appointing a football manager. Lets hope she gets it right first time. 

A novice, perhaps - but I'll bet she's more than an astute judge of character after 30 years of success building a business from the ground up. She'll make sure she gets the best advice on the footballing side and we can be confident in her judgement. Good luck to everyone involved...this is so important for us.

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2 hours ago, valiant_593 said:

How had he? After Stevenage we were saying he’s done enough to warrant another game. Well how many times can you keep saying these? We were / are getting beaten easily by poor sides he 100% did not deserve another match.


Jan signings under askey? Really? No way would he have signed players to turn this around. Just look at his past signings. 
 

vale fans have not been fickle. Far from it and askey has had it much much easier than if fans could attend. We have won 1 in 12. Yes 1 in 12 and lost to kings lynn, some of the worst performances in the clubs history (against some truly dire sides) blaming injuries isnt on. All sides have them, mansfield had just as many as us and still won more than comfortably. 
 

He has had at least 3/4 games more than he should have done. We can’t just keep saying one more game John. Lose and then we’re even closer to the bottom. 

Says it all, at half time vs Tranmere Vale were 2nd or 3rd in Lge 2, 3 1/2 games later you have sacking the manager in you mind. Sacking the manager every 2 years is not usually the way to build a successful football club.

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Shame to see him go, nice man, done a great job until recently and was amazing during the initial lockdown ringing up supporters to check on them. 

Recent results made this inevitable, especially the manner of the defeats. The players should be ashamed of themselves as they’ve cost a good man his job. That goes for Dave Kevan too.

Hopefully the gutless cowards buck their ideas up before we go down.

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44 minutes ago, CambridgeDon said:

A novice, perhaps - but I'll bet she's more than an astute judge of character after 30 years of success building a business from the ground up. She'll make sure she gets the best advice on the footballing side and we can be confident in her judgement. Good luck to everyone involved...this is so important for us.

We're going to need Good luck in recruiting the new manager, thats's for sure.  Carol can take all the advice in the world but it's still a lottery.  Where are the managers who don't have a failure or two on their CV's?  I don't think Carol will be getting crushed in that stampede any time soon.  We're basically on a wing and a prayer that it clicks for whoever comes in.  Let's hope it does.

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A tinge of sadness to see him go, none of us wanted him to leave in such a way, but after the run of results, it was, unfortunately, the inevitable end.

I said to my dad tonight, thinking back to the Notts County away game, when he was just a few games in, you could see the way the team had reformed into a high press, high energy style, I knew during that game we’d survive if we could take that into every game.

Who’s next? It’s going to be an interesting one and those players who have, in someways, seen about Askey’s demise, will be now looking over their shoulders wondering whether they will have a role to play, or indeed a future in football during such uncertain times - and rightly so! Be careful what you wish for the current crop of crap players!

Onwards and upwards, in the end I wasn’t an advocate of you staying, but I wish you all the best, thanks for the memories!

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Good luck J Askey and D Kevan thanks for all you did for us last season up until covid you were doing very well .

This season being a farce because of covid but once you lost the players theres only going be one winner ,it happens at every club ,shame but that's how quickly you can go from hero to zero in football .

Genuinely sad for the bloke but his one system only and refusal change things till too late  to make  sure Vale win matches was is undoing .

No malice towards him though good luck in your next job .

As for the players it's a clean slate for them all now perform no excuses you cannot hide behind making out Askeys a poor manageranymore or making him seem that way which is what you have done .

Shape up or ship out 

UTV 

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It's a funny thing when you think about it - people should be careful what they wish for.

At the back end of last season, we seemed to have a great team spirit, with a solid, core group of players leading the club in the right direction.

9 months later, with most of the same faces still there, they no longer appear to be playing for themselves, the manager, or the shirt.

If the manager has lost the players trust, or if there are people downing tools, or scheming, with the intent to get him out, then there is 0% control they have over the next appointment, so I always wonder what the end game is. Clean slate with the new guy, but he will want half a new team anyway, so you might find yourself out, which is a precarious thing at the lower end of the football ladder.

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13 hours ago, Moz said:

I think this is a mistake. Carol has more than earned the right to make calls as she sees them, and I'm right behind whoever she chooses as a successor. However, I think JA was capable of turning it around. He got us playing decent football at times and would have taken us up last year if Covid hadn't come along. With the window approaching, I think he knows better than anyone what needs to change in terms of personnel - will a new manager have the same understanding? Ultimately, recruitment has cost John his job, but his ability to improve players like Joyce, Wozza and Gibbo will stand us in good stead for the rest of the season.

On a side note, I find the glorying in a man losing his job to be completely unpalatable, especially when that man is decent and genuinely loved our football club. Have some trucking dignity. JA deserves better than some fan's reactions. I'm glad there are some who recognise his efforts... it gives me faith that not all our supporters are morons.

 

I agree. When he was first appointed I wasn't convinced but I did believe that John had more to give and was worth giving him until the end of the season. Most of the results against us were tight except for Mansfield and Conlon, Worrall, Montano and Gibbons all start and are important players when available. There is no doubt that some of John's signings this year have not worked or good enough to start but there's no evidence that he's lost the dressing room with the established players. Yes Legge has made some dreadful decisions recently but going in for challenges shows his passion. Also look at Brown when they scored-these players do want to win.

 Although I dont agree with the decision I trust the management (Carol or Colin or whoever is making the footballing decisions) and back whoever they choose. I do think when everyone is fit our 11 would get us in the playoffs at the very least but some of the others are not good enough and therefore it's an important transfer window. The timing of the decision allows the next manager to make their impact. 

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