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1 hour ago, darren1810 said:

Can I add now that the Sunderland game should have no bearing on any decision for or against Pugh 

Just my personal opinion . But the Pizza Kebab Burger trophy is not a yardstick for our progress .

Forest Green away most certainly is 

 

The Sunderland game should count as it will show how he can set up a team like that in a tin pot cup run.  Also the win money would be very good for the club at the moment.  Will he use the fringe players or go with a team like today?

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I wouldn't overly get carried away as this is our worst team for as long as I can remember. You really didn't have to play well to beat us though and I think you have far more tougher challenges to co

Worrall creates all 3 goals. Get him off, should be scoring.

Shout out too to Adam Yates. Excellent, sensible summary on the game throughout. Well done lads. We can do it when we apply ourselves.

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42 minutes ago, Nofinikea said:

When you have been around a bit and seen work places for a few years you will understand just how easily one piece of rotten fruit can turn the whole bowl.  Especially if that piece of fruit gets to an already disgruntled, respected figure first.

You see, when you try to belittle this in the way you have done here, it only highlights your own lack of worldliness.  Now you will start crying about me picking on your chosen profession again but the truth is, you have never left the classroom.  You went to school, higher education and then back to school again and it shows in the way you post.  You are undoubtedly intelligent, you are articulate and you have the headstrong nature that most of us had in our youth.  However, your posts lack experience and you try to make up for that with faulty logic.  Its a marvellous time of life where you are right now, but beware, your 30s will be spent cringing at your 20 something self but by the time you hit 40s you will be OK with it.  The reason I point this out is that you post in a very authoritive way and you don't react very well when your approach is challenged.  You will though, with age and a bit of life experience.

This brings me back to the point, you don't see how one person can influence a dressing room in such a detrimental way.  You will, one day you will see it.  Probably in a staff room or similar but you will see just how easily the wrong influence can turn a previously tight nit and competent group of people into virtual strangers.

Make no mistake, Askey has been knifed.  Badly knifed and he has been let down by the club.  Askey is not the sort who will blame or point the finger, he will always take responsibility and thats been his undoing on this occasion.  However, unless something magical happens, the people left in charge will be the ones who have engineered this and these sort of people do not take responsibility, are not professionals and have already shown how willing they are to throw folk under a bus.  This will not end well, the second it starts getting a bit tough that dressing room will disintegrate and it will be toxic.

John Askey was a long term project in much the way John Rudge was.  Thats gone now and we will rue the day we let it happen.

An interestingly compiled post. I too have been around for a while and delivered coaching sessions on parent child transactional analysis within the workplace,  which much of this wording reminds me of. 

Whether there is any substance in the"knifegate" theory can only be confirmed by the provision of cold evidence,  or absolute statement of fact. I.e "I was in the dressing room at the time " or have it as a sworn statement from someone that was. 

In the absence of either,  then we are left with what a forum is all about and that is opinion and opinion is what everyone is entitled to in a civilised society. 

Occasionally opinions can come across as being wiser and more factual as someone else's and that upsets people,  causing them to argue and ultimately start hurling insults and sarcasm at one another. 

So we should all give each a little more room an respect 

NOTHING LIKE A BIT OF EDGE THOUGH,  IS THERE?  👹   

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You'd think people could handle a bit of back and forth on a forum without crying. Snowflakes. 

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59 minutes ago, Nofinikea said:

Joe, stop trying to apply logic I have already shown you that your logic is seriously flawed.

Just because a bloke in the business has been shafted and hasn't made a song and a dance about it to the owners does not mean Carol is complicit or anything else.  It also doesn't mean it didn't happen either.

You tell me Joe, a man like Askey who is the epitome of calm and methodical, how did it all implode after a couple of losses...  a few nay sayers the background who had the ear of a few senior players giving it the "see what I mean" routine, thats how.  Askey was too loyal to some of those traitors, that was his downfall and he took responsibility for it.  End of.

 

I've been coming on this site since '97 and this stream of posts has to go down as the strangest that I have witnessed during that time.

The tone is so far beyond condescending that it is actually a little bit scary.

You might understand that one day when you grow up and develop some social skills. 

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On 09/01/2021 at 20:47, Nofinikea said:

No I aren't and again this shows you for what I have been saying.  You really need to grow up a bit.

Is that the same kicking you were giving her when she wasn't sacking Askey by the way?  That's your logic anyway but as I have said, its flawed.

Who has the ear of Carol and the players then?

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1 hour ago, Nofinikea said:

If you read what I have posted without jumping into defensive "unhinged" or "conspiracist" mode I have already told you.

Askey is a professional, he is methodical and he is not an excuse merchant, he takes responsibility.  He has been knifed, badly knifed but he has taken responsibility for his own failure to deal with it, although he never had a chance truth be told.  This is what professional people do, whilst others are looking around for excuses they look at there own failings instead because that's ultimately the only thing they can change.  You will never hear John Askey blame anybody but John Askey.  He has been let down, and it is Port Vales loss.

Should have won some games while in charge. Best way to shut unruly staff up is to up your own performance and give then no option other than to accept your way works.  If Askey was as professional as you say he would have dealt with any issues head on and restored order. No body wanted Askey to fail but he lost his job because he lost the plot simple as that . 

And methodical?!? Didn’t se much methodology in our defensive performances of late? 

You’ll be saying you don’t accept carols decision next and expect Askey to be in charge for the next four years...

Hell rally the troops and storm vale park... 

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1 hour ago, Nofinikea said:

Nope.  I have already told you several times Askey took responsibility which is not the same as it being his fault.

Try reading Joe and thinking wouldn't go a miss either.

Tone.

Whatever way you look at things, Askey’s gone because he can’t manage above mid-table L2.

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So who do you want...
The problem with this question is most of those who are 'always right' simply refuse to answer.
The main reason for this as I see it is maybe that, just in case their choice does get the job, they fail and then they open themselves to the inevitable criticism and ridicule they hand out themselves so happily.

Myself, I don't mind who we appoint, either from within, a rookie, a named manager with years of experience.....As I say, I don't mind - so long as they are given the job for the right reasons and given time by the supporters to have a chance at some success.
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It was job done today, and a very welcome and much-needed 3 points. I’m not going to go overboard and say it was outstanding as it wasn't, because we were up against the worst team I’ve seen for 2/3 years.

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3 minutes ago, Biddulph_PV said:

It was job done today, and a very welcome and much-needed 3 points. I’m not going to go overboard and say it was outstanding as it wasn't, because we were up against the worst team I’ve seen for 2/3 years.

The thing is we have lost against some really poor sides this season today the application was far better.

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26 minutes ago, Birches Head Fred said:

The problem with this question is most of those who are 'always right' simply refuse to answer.
The main reason for this as I see it is maybe that, just in case their choice does get the job, they fail and then they open themselves to the inevitable criticism and ridicule they hand out themselves so happily.

Myself, I don't mind who we appoint, either from within, a rookie, a named manager with years of experience.....As I say, I don't mind - so long as they are given the job for the right reasons and given time by the supporters to have a chance at some success.

Agee with this 100%.  I don’t know enough about the individuals to pass judgment.
 

sometimes internal appointments work and sometimes they don’t.  Page did ok, Brown didn’t.

similarly bringing in an experienced manager, like Gannon, from outside is not a guarantee of success.

I suspect that it will come down to an individual being a good fit for where we are now and being able to manage within the constraints of the club.

not an easy decision.

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1 hour ago, Joe B said:

You'd think people could handle a bit of back and forth on a forum without crying. Snowflakes. 

All I will say is that I’m lead to believe Askey had very limited funds to bring players in. Aspin’s budget was far bigger. I know he could have used it better, but just so that you know, all signings were 4th and 5th choice. Anyway, I just want to see the Vale win, onwards and forwards whoever is in charge. 

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17 minutes ago, Boslem's Brazil said:

All I will say is that I’m lead to believe Askey had very limited funds to bring players in. Aspin’s budget was far bigger. I know he could have used it better, but just so that you know, all signings were 4th and 5th choice. Anyway, I just want to see the Vale win, onwards and forwards whoever is in charge. 

£1.5m I would guess given that’s the cap and we voted not to introduce it as we stated we could afford more.

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Superb first half 2nd half we gave Grimsby way to much possession it was a relief when we scored the 3rd. It's a start and a huge improvement from the last 6 games but let's see how we do next Saturday against forest green

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