onevalefan.co.uk Present Past Specials About Forum
Jump to content
onevalefan.co.uk forum

Advert


Advert


Match Thread: Port Vale v Grimsby Town


Fosse69

Recommended Posts

3 minutes ago, Nofinikea said:

Thank you for showing me I am correct.  You simply tar people as conspiracists or unhinged if they challenge your opinion and style.

You will grow up one day Joe.

I've got no issue with you thinking I'm wrong, mate, but your deep-dive into my psyche was a bit weird, and in most places wide of the mark (similar to Grimsby today). It's not normal to go off like that in the manner that you did, but thankfully I'm a big boy.

I love debating. I enjoy it. I like to be challenged; hence, I post a lot of confrontational stuff on here. If you could disagree with me without making me feel like I'd paid £30 on hour for it, that'd be fine!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Advert

7 minutes ago, Guitar Ray said:

Not sure what your own thoughts are but I think it's purely circumstances rather than any conspiracy.  It began with not strengthening a team sufficiently. We began the season inconsistently, several players out of form, but got a few decent results.  Fundamentally, we then had a crisis of confidence, beginning with the cup defeat and Tranmere loss, subsequently more "out of character" individual errors crept in.  We then have an avalanche in form, bad results, the manner of those results is important, and a total collapse in confidence.  Things will have gone on behind the scenes but they wouldn't have been the root cause in my book.

This is just my own proposal, I have no idea what happens at the club.

I agree. Lots of little things have been snowballing. Maybe there has been workplace issues - it happens everywhere. I don't think he's been 'knifed', as that would suggest Carol was complicit in this coup (or is ignorant about something going on in her company, which I doubt).

Link to comment
Share on other sites

6 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

That poor team was put together by The hugely experienced Ian Holloway whom several on here wanted as our manager. Experience isn’t everything. Brian Horton used to say he’d had 20 years experience in management but really he’d only had one year repeated 20 times. 

Only those with a screw loose.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I will ask a genuine question @Nofinikea; if Askey has been knifed by Sinclair/whoever, why has Carol allowed it to happen?

She loved Askey - three year deal, always spoke in glowing terms.

If someone has done him in, why did she let it happen? If she didn't know it was happening, why? If it was Sinclair, why has he been promoted?

Just trying to understand your views, as it sounds, in your opinion, that the executives are partly to blame for allowing a good man to be backstabbed like this.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, TylerB said:

You were genuinely impressed today?

We were bang average. But against such a poor team it was enough.

With the result, yes... especially as we couldn’t buy one recently.

With a clean sheet. Absolutely. See above.

With the formation choice, initially no but I was proven wrong and it reminded me that 442 is a good attacking formation against a tram on the ropes

With the change of formation at half time after Rodney’s knock. Yes

With the game management at the end to get the result and the clean sheet. Yes, something that’s been badly missing.

With the more proactive substitutions. I have never thought they were the be all and end all, but they were ok.

Am I saying give Pugh the job now... no.

But we also should write him off because of a pre determined view on the level of experience required to be successful in lower league football... especially as the current league table indicates otherwise.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, Nofinikea said:

Dear oh dear.  It was an explanation as to why you are wrong about one person being able to upset a dressing room and it also explained why you don't yet know any better, but you will when you mature.

You wrote an entire 10 line paragraph about my lack of wordliness! It was really strange!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, Rory said:
8 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:
That poor team was put together by The hugely experienced Ian Holloway whom several on here wanted as our manager. Experience isn’t everything. Brian Horton used to say he’d had 20 years experience in management but really he’d only had one year repeated 20 times. 

Brian would sort this out.

Dangerous Brian?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

When you have been around a bit and seen work places for a few years you will understand just how easily one piece of rotten fruit can turn the whole bowl.  Especially if that piece of fruit gets to an already disgruntled, respected figure first.
You see, when you try to belittle this in the way you have done here, it only highlights your own lack of worldliness.  Now you will start crying about me picking on your chosen profession again but the truth is, you have never left the classroom.  You went to school, higher education and then back to school again and it shows in the way you post.  You are undoubtedly intelligent, you are articulate and you have the headstrong nature that most of us had in our youth.  However, your posts lack experience and you try to make up for that with faulty logic.  Its a marvellous time of life where you are right now, but beware, your 30s will be spent cringing at your 20 something self but by the time you hit 40s you will be OK with it.  The reason I point this out is that you post in a very authoritive way and you don't react very well when your approach is challenged.  You will though, with age and a bit of life experience.
This brings me back to the point, you don't see how one person can influence a dressing room in such a detrimental way.  You will, one day you will see it.  Probably in a staff room or similar but you will see just how easily the wrong influence can turn a previously tight nit and competent group of people into virtual strangers.
Make no mistake, Askey has been knifed.  Badly knifed and he has been let down by the club.  Askey is not the sort who will blame or point the finger, he will always take responsibility and thats been his undoing on this occasion.  However, unless something magical happens, the people left in charge will be the ones who have engineered this and these sort of people do not take responsibility, are not professionals and have already shown how willing they are to throw folk under a bus.  This will not end well, the second it starts getting a bit tough that dressing room will disintegrate and it will be toxic.
John Askey was a long term project in much the way John Rudge was.  Thats gone now and we will rue the day we let it happen.

Comparing Askey to Rudge.... you really are deluded.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, Nofinikea said:

Why would it?  Carol herself told us she has had her eye off the ball.  It means nothing of the sort.  This is what I am getting at Joe, you try to fill the gaps caused by your lack of experience with flawed logic.  We have all been there though.

So far off the ball that there was mutiny in her workplace, which her boss/no one ever mentioned?

But the fanbase, including you, know about?

You're presenting her as completely ignorant to the ongoings of her own workplace. It's pretty critical.

Carol hasn't amassed a multi-million pound business by letting 'knifings' happen under her nose. Did Garlick know? The players? 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Reporting Posts and other information

    Rules - This forum is moderated but the admin team don't read everything. Don't assume we'll spot rule breaking and alert us by reporting content. Logged in users can hover over the post and click the orange button. Guests can contact us here. If you don't get on with another user you can "ignore" them. Click this link, type in their username and click save. Please check with the admin team if you wish to sell/auction any items. We're happy to support good causes but check first.

    Use - This forum may not be suitable for all as it may contain words or phrases not considered appropriate for some. You are personally responsible and potentially liable for the contents of your posting and could face legal action should it contain content of a defamatory or other illegal nature. Every message posted leaves a traceable IP number. Please do not reveal any personal information about yourself or anyone else (for example: phone number, address or email address). This forum is not in any way affiliated with Port Vale FC. OVF reserve the right to edit, delete, move or close any thread for any reason. If you spot an offensive post please report it to the admin team (instructions are above).

    Adverts - This site occasionally a) has adverts and sponsored features about gambling b) accepts sponsored posts from third parties. If you require help and advice on gambling read these links: Information on protecting young people | Addiction help from gambleaware.co.uk
  • Friends of OVF

×
×
  • Create New...