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Match Thread: Port Vale v Grimsby Town


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1 minute ago, TylerB said:

Doesn't matter to anyone who I want personally. But I don't think we should be appointing from within yet again. And Pugh winning games against Grimsby and probably a Sunderland reserve side at home won't change my opinion.

It doesn't matter mate but it's a forum for differing opinions. 

For the record I would of liked Alexander .

No harm letting us know your choice you are as entitled to it as any of us 

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I think it’s one game and the result couldn’t have been better. Still too many crosses coming into the box for my liking. If, post “bounce”, we maintain that gap over the danger zone, it’s bought Carol time in selecting a new manager. How far up the table we end up will determine the strength of Pugh’s application if he throws his cap in the ring. It’s one small step.

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Just now, TylerB said:

Doesn't matter to anyone who I want personally. But I don't think we should be appointing from within yet again. And Pugh winning games against Grimsby and probably a Sunderland reserve side at home won't change my opinion.

From what I can read, no one is pushing a contract in front of him just yet.

All people have said is that compared to what we have seen recently today was a good start for him.

New formation, more intensity in the press, adaptive changes of formation, proactive subs not left too late, a clean sheet and 3 goals.

Yes it was the side on 23rd but this is the 3rd time we have played a team in that position this year and we lost the other two.

Is a good start... people are literally saying they need to see how he goes against FGR and beyond.

No one should be offering the job tonight, but equally to write him off immediately seems rash.

5 of the top 6 managers in the league are in there first ever management position.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Pops said:

Watched the game and listened to the commentary today. I felt the knives in John’s back. The team  won today with the injured players back irrespective of who was the manager. Next week will be interesting. 

Are they the same knives that you put in LS back?

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2 hours ago, For Us All said:

63% possession means nothing if you don't have an end game.

True enough but in the first half they could've easily been the team 2 nil up.  I'm not complaining after winning a game, 3 points is 3 points at the end of the day, just not convinced that against better teams 442 would be the way to go, we currently don't have good enough players in the engine room in my opinion, and I think the second half bares that out, Grimsby barely having a chance after the change at half time.

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It's incredible that 25 grown men, with their own rational faculties, careers, families, aspirations, and fears, could be turned against their boss by Frank Sinclair whispering in their ear behind his back.

Come on, folks. Whatever has gone on in the last few weeks, the conspiracy theories have reached tinfoil hat levels. Sinclair has been painted as some form of Machiavellian supervillian, assiduously flipping players previously in full support of Askey to decide to 'down tools', at detriment to their careers, in order to secure the Interim Assistant Manager job. I'm sure he's a charismatic fella but forgive me for not believing he's that convincing.

I think the dichotomy of last week and previous games is down to a few factors; mostly, that Askey's cycle has come to an end, and his steadfast refusal to deviate from his ideas got a bit... tedious? Combine that with us coming up against poor opposition today, and also having Tom Pope readily supported up top, with a bit of luck sprinkled in.

Fans seem obsessed with concocting exotic reasons for a downturn on form, to the extent that the ancient practice of Yoga has received stick recently, when it probably was more to do with the natural peaks and troughs of football.

I trust that, if there had been serious misbehaviour, it would have been dealt with appropriately. If Sinclair is still at the club, and entrusted with assisting Pugh in this difficult period, I personally doubt he's been turning Askey's men against him, as some suggest. They probably had just had enough. To suggest otherwise, that Sinclair has been involved in workplace malpractice and has seemingly been rewarded for doing so, is a bit of a dig at Carol.

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30 minutes ago, Iron Curtain said:

From what I can read, no one is pushing a contract in front of him just yet.

All people have said is that compared to what we have seen recently today was a good start for him.

New formation, more intensity in the press, adaptive changes of formation, proactive subs not left too late, a clean sheet and 3 goals.

Yes it was the side on 23rd but this is the 3rd time we have played a team in that position this year and we lost the other two.

Is a good start... people are literally saying they need to see how he goes against FGR and beyond.

No one should be offering the job tonight, but equally to write him off immediately seems rash.

5 of the top 6 managers in the league are in there first ever management position.

 

 

Other than a bit more effort and playing an appalling side, I didn't see too much difference today myself. I honestly believe as bad as things had got under him, we would have won today even if Askey had of been in charge still. If he's given enough time and we suddenly won 4 or 5 of the next 6 games then I'd say Pugh should come into the reckoning, that would only be fair. But in my opinion, if we've had plenty of applications as seems to be the case then we should be looking to make a permanent appointment asap. Whether the next manager is vastly experienced or inexperienced makes no difference on whether he'll be successful or not, neither is a given. But I just struggle to believe that we can't aim higher and do better than Danny Pugh, unless we're skint and simply can't afford the salary of most who are applying.

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36 minutes ago, darren1810 said:

It doesn't matter mate but it's a forum for differing opinions. 

For the record I would of liked Alexander .

No harm letting us know your choice you are as entitled to it as any of us 

My opinion is that we should be aiming higher than Danny Pugh right now, and that's obviously despite the win today. If he's still here in a months time and we've gone on a run, then maybe my opinion will have changed somewhat. But today I didn't see much difference at all than previous weeks other than there was a bit more collective effort, as was always going to be the case, and playing an even worse side than some of the tripe that managed to take points off us in previous weeks. 

You can only beat what's in front of you and today everybody did their job. We beat a shocking side at home and if we can beat Sunderland, depending on who they decide to play on the night, we can go into a much tougher game against Forest Green with the bit of confidence winning two games on the bounce gives you.

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3 minutes ago, Joe B said:

It's incredible that 25 grown men, with their own rational faculties, careers, families, aspirations, and fears, could be turned against their boss by Frank Sinclair whispering in their ear behind his back.

Come on, folks. Whatever has gone on in the last few weeks, the conspiracy theories have reached tinfoil hat levels. 

I trust that, if there had been serious misbehaviour, it would have been dealt with appropriately. If Sinclair is still at the club, and entrusted with assisting Pugh in this difficult period, I personally doubt he's been turning Askey's men against him, as some suggest.

Not sure what your own thoughts are but I think it's purely circumstances rather than any conspiracy.  It began with not strengthening a team sufficiently. We began the season inconsistently, several players out of form, but got a few decent results.  Fundamentally, we then had a crisis of confidence, beginning with the cup defeat and Tranmere loss, subsequently more "out of character" individual errors crept in.  We then have an avalanche in form, bad results, the manner of those results is important, and a total collapse in confidence.  Things will have gone on behind the scenes but they wouldn't have been the root cause in my book.

This is just my own proposal, I have no idea what happens at the club.

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3 minutes ago, Nofinikea said:

When you have been around a bit and seen work places for a few years you will understand just how easily one piece of rotten fruit can turn the whole bowl.  Especially if that piece of fruit gets to an already disgruntled, respected figure first.

You see, when you try to belittle this in the way you have done here, it only highlights your own lack of worldliness.  Now you will start crying about me picking on your chosen profession again but the truth is, you have never left the classroom.  You went to school, higher education and then back to school again and it shows in the way you post.  You are undoubtedly intelligent, you are articulate and you have the headstrong nature that most of us had in our youth.  However, your posts lack experience and you try to make up for that with faulty logic.  Its a marvellous time of life where you are right now, but beware, your 30s will be spent cringing at your 20 something self but by the time you hit 40s you will be OK with it.  The reason I point this out is that you post in a very authoritive way and you don't react very well when your approach is challenged.  You will though, with age and a bit of life experience.

This brings me back to the point, you don't see how one person can influence a dressing room in such a detrimental way.  You will, one day you will see it.  Probably in a staff room or similar but you will see just how easily the wrong influence can turn a previously tight nit and competent group of people into virtual strangers.

Make no mistake, Askey has been knifed.  Badly knifed and he has been let down by the club.  Askey is not the sort who will blame or point the finger, he will always take responsibility and thats been his undoing on this occasion.  However, unless something magical happens, the people left in charge will be the ones who have engineered this and these sort of people do not take responsibility, are not professionals and have already shown how willing they are to throw folk under a bus.  This will not end well, the second it starts getting a bit tough that dressing room will disintegrate and it will be toxic.

John Askey was a long term project in much the way John Rudge was.  Thats gone now and we will run the day we let it happen.

This is the most unhinged post I have ever read in my life 😂

Thank you for the psychoanalysis, nofinikea. Will note down your sage advice from a clearly well-put together individual. 

You seem to love Askey more than Vale. 

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3 minutes ago, TylerB said:

You were genuinely impressed today?

We were bang average. But against such a poor team it was enough.

That poor team was put together by The hugely experienced Ian Holloway whom several on here wanted as our manager. Experience isn’t everything. Brian Horton used to say he’d had 20 years experience in management but really he’d only had one year repeated 20 times. 

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