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McKirdy & Robinson...Goodbye ?


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20 hours ago, Smallthorne Dog said:

The whole Askey Out, Askey In situation boils down to this issue if you ask me.
Askey is a manager jnown for building squads that are greater than the sum of their parts. Its all about the right attitude, a good work ethic, versatility and a willingness to sacrifice personal glory for the benefit of the team.
So players like McKirdy and Robinson are the polar opposite of everything Askey stands for and expects in his players.
They were both late additions to the squad after it appeared our summer business was complete. Sowho was responsible for bringing them in?
Askey? If so, then its a complete screw up and its his own fault, and he has to go.
The owners or Frank Sinclair? Maybe this has been an internal battle from the beginning and Askey never wanted either of them (their disruptive attitude has been at the heart of our terrible form) and he has finally won that battle and it has been agreed he can ship them out?
If that is the case, its extremely worrying, in that a) their is an influence greater than the manager who has the final say on transfers, and b) The manager has seemingly allowed player he doesnt want or need to be signed by the club to the detriment of what he js trying to do, and what plainly worked last season.
I'd be inclined to think that Askey didnt want either player in the first instance. I'm not convinced he ever wanted Mitch Clarke back at the club, and it is relatively common knowledge that if he'd have had his way, Popey would have gone i the summer.
If that is the case, he has to be allowed to get rid of the players he wants to get rid of and sign the ones he wants to sign.
Despite all the bad results, something is telling me this isnt all Askey's doing.

I agree that there has been something amiss behind the scenes which asks a lot of very serious questions about the manager. Is he in charge or not? Would we, for example, have seen Micky acting in this way, seemingly taking on players he didn't want? Something is seriously wrong if you ask me.

The other point I can't understand is why you mention Frank Sinclair. As far as I understand, he was recruited as Head of Coaching Development to bridge the gap between the academy and the first team. So why would he have any influence over transfers? Has his role suddenly morphed into something else?

The one thing this illustrates is that in football, as in most of life, if you don't have strong, decisive leadership you are in for a very, very rocky ride. 

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20 minutes ago, CambridgeDon said:

I agree that there has been something amiss behind the scenes which asks a lot of very serious questions about the manager. Is he in charge or not? Would we, for example, have seen Micky acting in this way, seemingly taking on players he didn't want? Something is seriously wrong if you ask me.

The other point I can't understand is why you mention Frank Sinclair. As far as I understand, he was recruited as Head of Coaching Development to bridge the gap between the academy and the first team. So why would he have any influence over transfers? Has his role suddenly morphed into something else?

The one thing this illustrates is that in football, as in most of life, if you don't have strong, decisive leadership you are in for a very, very rocky ride. 

Well .... Ryan Burge and Sam Morsy, neither saw eye to eye with Adams!

Sinclair's role always has been more than just bridging the gap. I don't believe he is involved in transfers. He is responsible for all player development with a view to getting more young players through. Last season Askey was also involved in that aspect of the club. Sinclair reports to Askey, or did in August.

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Dont get excited over the transfer window, if Robinson goes he will want a good deal equal if not better than the one he's on or he might as well stay put and McKirdys  reputation will go before him so why would anyone give him another chance ?

Might find that it could be Conlon or as a wild card Pope leaving or an outsider like Worrall, all three would get a transfer fee and I dont see anyone spending during this Covid malarky, so we could be lumbered with McKirdy until the end of the season.

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9 hours ago, Jacko51 said:

Indeed.  Bob Delgado springs to mind!

Bob Delgado wasn't signed on the strength of a single good game against us, but on the grounds that he was a very good and consistent player for Chester. I was massively disappointed how badly he played for us! 

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2 hours ago, Joe B said:

Spot on.

Some fans on here bleat 'woe is us' about our budget and excuse the lazy signings, but I've never seen it bother Holt/Coleman. 

They roll their sleeves up, sign the overlooked gems, and reap the benefits. They've got a reasonable chance of being a Championship club next season, whilst some on here would be chuffed with top 10 in League 2 on a budget several times larger than Accrington's. Wycombe are in the Championship ffs.

Accrington's forwards were signed from Leamington Spa and Southport. McConville, a stalwart, was from Stockport. Why can they manage it, but we can't?

Recruitment needs an overhaul. We need a specialist. DoF, Recruitment Director, call it what you want. Our signings are flat out lazy, as you correctly point out, and that's why we're floundering. We seem to operate like a club from several decades ago on this front. It's the next big challenge facing those at the top.

It's a bit odd that Accy and Wycombe are both managed by men many fans on here, at different times,  have said they wouldn't want as our managers! - one because "we have to get away from the ex-Vale connection!!!"

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2 hours ago, JRC said:

Well .... Ryan Burge and Sam Morsy, neither saw eye to eye with Adams!

Sinclair's role always has been more than just bridging the gap. I don't believe he is involved in transfers. He is responsible for all player development with a view to getting more young players through. Last season Askey was also involved in that aspect of the club. Sinclair reports to Askey, or did in August.

I didn't make the point that Adams didn't see eye to eye with players, but simply raised the point as to whether Micky would have taken on players when he didn't want to. I doubt very much he would and I can't remember anything like that while he was with us, though I may be wrong. 

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1 hour ago, LancyTony said:

Bob Delgado wasn't signed on the strength of a single good game against us, but on the grounds that he was a very good and consistent player for Chester. I was massively disappointed how badly he played for us! 

Psychology damaged me,  he was that bad. Still have hideous flashbacks. Now look what you've done 😠

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17 hours ago, PV1973 said:

Totally agree with your first paragraph.

In hindsight...... if only Maynard hadn’t played us off against Mansfield, if only we’d have signed one of the other wingers on trial, if only we’d have protected our right back instead of having him play 2 games so close together after coming back from an injury. All those factors and decisions lead us into signing 3 players who have allegedly rocked the boat in Robinson, mckirdy and Clark. That’s a lot of players characters to get so wrong when that’s supposedly one of the things Askey prides himself on. 

I've got to be completely honest and say I've no idea what Robinson and McKirdy have done, let alone Clarke, who it appears has had some issue outside of football, and went back to Forest 2 weeks ago.

For all I know it could be as simple as 2 players constantly bending the managers ear because they aren't getting any game time.

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7 hours ago, JRC said:

Well .... Ryan Burge and Sam Morsy, neither saw eye to eye with Adams!

Sinclair's role always has been more than just bridging the gap. I don't believe he is involved in transfers. He is responsible for all player development with a view to getting more young players through. Last season Askey was also involved in that aspect of the club. Sinclair reports to Askey, or did in August.

Fair comment about Morsy but Adams managed to get Burge to play more league games for Vale than all of his other league clubs put together, it wasn't Adams who made him leave, Paul Wilde stuck his oar in and created a situation where he had to leave. Shame, Burge was good, just had a bit of baggage.

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My view is of Mckirdy is he looked like he had the ability to do something but something was holding him back (maybe family and friends especially if they are all stoke fans which I guess they may be and influencing him to not pull his weight),sad that as firstly your a professional footballer paid well to kick a ball  ,secondly do you want to playing in front of a appreciative audience or a scathing one as surely if your a footballer you play well for one pride firstly then the team you play for then lastly should be for the money .

Good luck to you regardless 

Robinson showed glimpses of what he could do but never really got into a lot of games when started ,was that due to Askeys insistence on playing his way or the highway ,partly Robinsons fault partly Askeys fault I'd say ,does he engage with the players to ask what systems they think they would thrive in if not why not ? That ? Is for Askey Hanging players out to dry when if you play for a stubborn coach who just doesn't listen and only likes the sound of his own voice well there are and should be 13 different voices in the changing room before the game ,at half time and during the game (11 on pitch and Askey and Kevan ).

So I wish him good luck too .

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