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McKirdy & Robinson...Goodbye ?


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21 minutes ago, TJHValiant said:

He isn’t my idea of one for sure, but he appeared to be Askey’s as we signed nobody better. 

Someone on here thought he was a very good player in September .... flattered to deceive a bit in October but wanted the manager to play him more .... then decided he was useless in November 🤨 It isn't that easy to judge a player.

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28 minutes ago, JRC said:

We did but both managers who signed them also had some right howlers. 

The best manager we had at picking up youth players from bigger teams was Horton. The best at signing them from smaller teams was Rudge. The one with the best hit to miss ratio was Rudge. Even Glover made some good signings alongside the average. The core of Adam's promotion side were signed by a mix of Sinnott, Glover and the crazy guy from Stockport; who first brought Pope to the club. 

Incredible to think that the Stockport loon signed Romaine sawyers who apart from last night's own goal has had a great career and also Jay O'Shea who also had a decent career.  

We'll leave Blizzard, Exodus and kayleden Brown for another day 😂

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1 hour ago, MBE said:

I wonder if McKirdy & Robinson have already agreed deals to leave hence why they weren't even in the subs bench as we didn't want to risk injuries on that pitch last night.

That wouldn't surprise me as things go on behind the scenes,clubs will want Theo dependent on his wage here as he is a scorer at this level.....just not for us

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7 hours ago, robf said:

I'm somewhat concerned by that too. The experienced core of the side - Brown, Legge, Joyce and Pope - which we've relied on for some time now are other manager's signings. Conlon, Worrall and Montano (also key players) were also signed by other managers.

Out of Askey's 21 permanent signings, I'd only class three (Amoo, Hurst and Rodney) as quality signings. 

I'd class four as solid but not spectacular (Brisley, Visser, Atkinson, Fitzpatrick)

I'd say the jury is still out on Burgess, Crookes and Cullen. Two potentially have time to improve, the other has injuries to overcome.

The other eleven (so over half his signings) have been failures unfortunately - Bennett, Kennedy, Lloyd, Evans, Maddison, Archer, Mills, Whitehead, Robinson, McKirdy, Browne

Pope was Smurfs signing in an attempt to keep the unwashed happy.

perhaps we should employ Aspin as a scout. He wasn’t much cop as a manager but he  has made some decent signings over the years

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7 hours ago, osprey said:

Can anyone name a manager who has never signed a player who turned out to be rubbish at that time or for that team?


Thought not

How many of Askey's signings in the last two years have made consistent improvements to the first 11, in your opinion?

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God help us then mate. I'd rather keep Theo than that bloody Camel. Has he even scored 1 for Bradford

Askey is a big fan of Kurtis Guthrie isn't he? With McCall leaving and Guthrie not in the side would they maybe do a similar thing to what we've done with Robinson and make Guthrie available. I bet Askey would be interested if that did happen.
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44 minutes ago, osprey said:

The point is that every manager signs some rubbish

Yes but most decent managers:

a) sign rubbish at a lower rate than Askey

b) sign good players to counter-balance the rubbish.

Askey has made 2, maybe 3 'good' signings' and 10-11 'poor' signings, with a smattering of average squad players.

Extrapolate that another 2-3 years and we're in deep trouble. 

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11 hours ago, valeparklife said:

People were instantly aggrieved with the Theo Robinson signing as everyone was convinced we were getting Maynard, and everyone felt like signing Maynard was some sort of cheat code to winning the title. When you look at Robinson's record over the past 2 seasons it's decent - 7 in 16 for Swindon and 11 in 28 for Colchester.

I've always said that styles make strikers, so is our style of play not conducive to Robinsons strengths? If so, why was he signed? You wouldn't sign a 5'4 striker to play long ball tactics (although we probably would!)

I felt that talent wise, McKirdy was the missing piece of the jigsaw for us, we're very much a workmanlike huff-and-puff team so a little sprinkle of flair should have been welcomed to break down those stubborn bus-parking teams we always struggle with. Again, why was he signed?

It always begs the question - who is doing our scouting?

There are literally 1,000s of Prem/Championship youngsters released every year. So rather than sign Robinson and McKirdy, why couldn't one of our scouts advise something like "there's a winger released from Man City who is raw but has pace to burn and gets 20 assists a season at U23 level" or "Liverpool paid £100,000 for this striker when he was 14 and he's been prolific at youth level, he's 6'3, good in the air and reminds me of a young Tom Pope". 

What are our scouts doing?!

The players we sign seem to fall under 3 categories:

  • Played for Askey at Macc
  • Played well once or twice against Vale/Macc
  • Recommended by Sproson for his own personal gain

Have a look at Accrington's recruitment - I work in football so feel I have an above-average knowledge of players but I've rarely heard of some of the obscure signings they make - they're masters at it and have phenomenal recruitment. If they can, why can't we?

 

Spot on.

Some fans on here bleat 'woe is us' about our budget and excuse the lazy signings, but I've never seen it bother Holt/Coleman. 

They roll their sleeves up, sign the overlooked gems, and reap the benefits. They've got a reasonable chance of being a Championship club next season, whilst some on here would be chuffed with top 10 in League 2 on a budget several times larger than Accrington's. Wycombe are in the Championship ffs.

Accrington's forwards were signed from Leamington Spa and Southport. McConville, a stalwart, was from Stockport. Why can they manage it, but we can't?

Recruitment needs an overhaul. We need a specialist. DoF, Recruitment Director, call it what you want. Our signings are flat out lazy, as you correctly point out, and that's why we're floundering. We seem to operate like a club from several decades ago on this front. It's the next big challenge facing those at the top.

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45 minutes ago, Doha said:

Every manager converts oxygen into carbon dioxide too. It's irrelevant. 

If Askey leaves I hope the club looks at both plant and animal options for a replacement.

There have been no pot plants in the professional male game as far as I am aware which is shocking.

Food for thought.

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16 minutes ago, Joe B said:

Spot on.

Some fans on here bleat 'woe is us' about our budget and excuse the lazy signings, but I've never seen it bother Holt/Coleman. 

They roll their sleeves up, sign the overlooked gems, and reap the benefits. They've got a reasonable chance of being a Championship club next season, whilst some on here would be chuffed with top 10 in League 2 on a budget several times larger than Accrington's. Wycombe are in the Championship ffs.

Accrington's forwards were signed from Leamington Spa and Southport. McConville, a stalwart, was from Stockport. Why can they manage it, but we can't?

Recruitment needs an overhaul. We need a specialist. DoF, Recruitment Director, call it what you want. Our signings are flat out lazy, as you correctly point out, and that's why we're floundering. We seem to operate like a club from several decades ago on this front. It's the next big challenge facing those at the top.

Coleman doesn't they employ a Head of Recruitment to find players. Accrington also invest a lot of money up to under 23s. I'm not against going down that route BUT it took time AND a lot of money to get where they have got to. They are currently advertising for an additional talent scout. Vale are building the infrastructure but it doesn't get built overnight. Gradi did it at Crewe but it took 2 or 3 years to really show the benefits.

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