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It's interesting reading to start of this thread where folk are picking their team - loads pick the same team as Askey.  At half time, lots of positive comments about the performance.  But it seems the manager was totally to blame for the back four collapsing in the second half.  Seems he lost the dressing room at half time!!

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5 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

It's interesting reading to start of this thread where folk are picking their team - loads pick the same team as Askey.  At half time, lots of positive comments about the performance.  But it seems the manager was totally to blame for the back four collapsing in the second half.  Seems he lost the dressing room at half time!!

It's more to do with the complete inability to react to a quadruple sub, after failing to react to a triple sub last week. The back 4 collapsed as Walsall changed it up and we carried on playing like nothing had changed. Last week, Folivi changed the game and we barely noticed he'd come on.

The starting 11 was correct, and the fans correct in calling for it; hence the 2-0 lead at half time. We were good for a chunk of the first half.

Again, Askey was inert in reacting to a changing game and allowed the entire game (and his defence) to collapse in front of him, taking off his goalscorer and saving his other subs till the 85th minute.

That's the concern; not the lineup. It's bad enough being sleepy for one week, but consecutive games is inexcusable. The tide had clearly turned and we did nothing.

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6 minutes ago, Joe B said:

It's more to do with the complete inability to react to a quadruple sub, after failing to react to a triple sub last week. The back 4 collapsed as Walsall changed it up and we carried on playing like nothing had changed. Last week, Folivi changed the game and we barely noticed he'd come on.

The starting 11 was correct, and the fans correct in calling for it; hence the 2-0 lead at half time. We were good for a chunk of the first half.

Again, Askey was inert in reacting to a changing game and allowed the entire game (and his defence) to collapse in front of him, taking off his goalscorer and saving his other subs till the 85th minute.

That's the concern; not the lineup. It's bad enough being sleepy for one week, but consecutive games is inexcusable. The tide had clearly turned and we did nothing.

So what would you have changed?  Bring on Brisley and go three at the back?  Bring on Oyeleke for Burgess?  Put three of the back four up against a wall and shoot them?

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9 minutes ago, Joe B said:

It's more to do with the complete inability to react to a quadruple sub, after failing to react to a triple sub last week. The back 4 collapsed as Walsall changed it up and we carried on playing like nothing had changed. Last week, Folivi changed the game and we barely noticed he'd come on.

The starting 11 was correct, and the fans correct in calling for it; hence the 2-0 lead at half time. We were good for a chunk of the first half.

Again, Askey was inert in reacting to a changing game and allowed the entire game (and his defence) to collapse in front of him, taking off his goalscorer and saving his other subs till the 85th minute.

That's the concern; not the lineup. It's bad enough being sleepy for one week, but consecutive games is inexcusable. The tide had clearly turned and we did nothing.

This. Spot on Sir.

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6 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

So what would you have changed?  Bring on Brisley and go three at the back?  Bring on Oyeleke for Burgess?  Put three of the back four up against a wall and shoot them?

Thankfully I'm not paid to manage Port Vale FC, Jean. We'd be in Leek Town's league.

John Askey is, however.

If you really must know, I would have brought on Brisley for Legge as he was in tatters, kept Pope on so we have an outlet when under pressure and brought Amoo on.

I also wouldn't have told Clark he's on his way and not have him in the squad (unless there's an injury) and would have had him starting over Mills, who is a dog dirt defender in every respect. 

Oyeleke for Burgess isn't a bad idea either tbh, he was awful today. 

Regardless, you'd hope a man who is paid to manage could have seen that we were in trouble and that Scrimshaw fella needed sorting. Askey didn't, and we lost. Again.

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The problem is,,,, and I'm not defending Askey here . 

Just trying to be balanced as possible. Brisley comes on and we concede he's accused of being negative and inviting pressure because we are more defensive. 

For me Brisley comes on at 3-2 vTranmere and also today. 

Somehow we need to kill the game and the momentum, it's staggering we seem unable to do this. 

But I do think if Brisley came on at 3-2 and it finished 3-3 then Askey would of got pelters for being negative. 

The players also have to take responsibility for their failings 

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Just now, darren1810 said:

The problem is,,,, and I'm not defending Askey here . 

Just trying to be balanced as possible. Brisley comes on and we concede he's accused of being negative and inviting pressure because we are more defensive. 

For me Brisley comes on at 3-2 vTranmere and also today. 

Somehow we need to kill the game and the momentum, it's staggering we seem unable to do this. 

But I do think if Brisley came on at 3-2 and it finished 3-3 then Askey would of got pelters for being negative. 

The players also have to take responsibility for their failings 

Yes but they're hypotheticals.

You can't defend a manager based on things that didn't happen, but if they had would have exonerate him.

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3 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

So what would you have changed?  Bring on Brisley and go three at the back?  Bring on Oyeleke for Burgess?  Put three of the back four up against a wall and shoot them?

I would have brought on the centre half I bought in the summer. He’s better than Brisley and Crooks. I bought him in the summer when I thought that I might need him if one of my centre halves was injured or suffered a loss in form. In fact, after the last 8 games, I would have started with him, so I wouldn’t have  been that worried at half time. 

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