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Taking the knee.


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1 hour ago, Iron Curtain said:

I agree it is a strange comparison. 
 

Im pushing the original posters view that football should be about football.

He has clearly stated that he doesn’t want “politics involved”... Now wearing the Poppy is different. And I 100% support it.

But Im testing whether it’s ACTUALLY about wanting football to be kept about football. I’d be keen to understand what can be introduced to football? What can’t?

 

I would prefer just football..... no adverts or sponsorships but that won't happen, to much money involved.

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10 hours ago, Iron Curtain said:

Such a weak weak argument.

Surely no one thinks this is a salient or clever point anymore do they?

“Save the rainforest” doesn’t mean we all hate Epping Forrest.

 

So tigers lives matter but there's no need for WWF for all of the other persecuted animals in the world then?

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A lot of it depends whether you believe the act of taking a knee is inextricably linked to a very specific political movement or whether it symbolizes a wider movement looking for equality.

A lot will cling to the idea that it represents the former in an attempt to discredit the latter.

Furthermore, people like MLK and Emmeline Pankhurst confronted the status quo in their day and were portrayed by dangerous radicals. The campaign for universal suffrage wasn't totally discredited just because Emily Davison threw herself in front of a horse.

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18 minutes ago, Joe B said:

There's booing a poor yellow card decision, and then booing players for kneeling for 8 seconds as they try to raise awareness of racial inequality. The two are not to be equated. 

The link between the two is how fans show disagreement.

Neither action is something I would choose to do for various reasons.

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7 minutes ago, inner sanctum said:

So tigers lives matter but there's no need for WWF for all of the other persecuted animals in the world then?

What is the argument to do that? Obviously the ones most affected get  more attention, does not mean the others should not have any.

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5 minutes ago, geosname said:

The link between the two is how fans show disagreement.

I'm sure the people who are booing taking the knee are doing so out of genuine anxieties with Marxism and, having read Das Kapital and The Condition Of The Working Class In England, they rejected its conclusions. Yep it's definitely that.

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19 minutes ago, inner sanctum said:

So tigers lives matter but there's no need for WWF for all of the other persecuted animals in the world then?

If a parent with a disabled child made a social media post with ‘disabled lives matter’, would you be offended? Would you assume that she meant that all kids lives didn’t matter? Or would you assume she meant that her disabled child’s life meant just as much as everyone else’s? 

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This fanbase. Sick of it.
Read some books.
 
Most arrogant post ever. Do all people who read books regularly have a superior opinions to everyone else? Maybe you should provide a booklist for people so they can share your views Joe. Personally I'm fully behind any players that want to take a knee, but if some people are against it, thats their right to say so. But reading books doesn't make anybodies options more valid, they vary widely in content.
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We’ve always been lead to believe that political statement should be kept out of sport, so you’d have to think “taking the knee” has changed that stance from sports governing bodies for every other viewpoint.

Individuals should be able to “take the knee”, or not, free from judgement.  Booing those who choose to do so is completely unacceptable, just as it’s unacceptable to judge those that do not “take the knee” as racists.

Freedom of choice at the end of the day.

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6 minutes ago, Guitar Ray said:

We’ve always been lead to believe that political statement should be kept out of sport, so you’d have to think “taking the knee” has changed that stance from sports governing bodies for every other viewpoint.

Individuals should be able to “take the knee”, or not, free from judgement.  Booing those who choose to do so is completely unacceptable, just as it’s unacceptable to judge those that do not “take the knee” as racists.

Freedom of choice at the end of the day.

Hard to disagree. 
i suppose it could be argued that taking the knee is relevant because there are still people who would boo such a thing. If we were in a world where that didn’t happen, it would likely not be needed. So those that boo the knee and  don’t want to see it, actually make it necessary for it to happen. 

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13 minutes ago, Guitar Ray said:

We’ve always been lead to believe that political statement should be kept out of sport, so you’d have to think “taking the knee” has changed that stance from sports governing bodies for every other viewpoint.

Individuals should be able to “take the knee”, or not, free from judgement.  Booing those who choose to do so is completely unacceptable, just as it’s unacceptable to judge those that do not “take the knee” as racists.

Freedom of choice at the end of the day.

Agree. That’s how I see it as well

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