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17 hours ago, werstayinup said:

Agreed,we have had some on loan that have gone on to better things,in fact i see Kanu has been playing for Peterborough

It would be nice if we could loan a player,they do a job for us and we try to buy them or take them if released(like we have done with Taylor,tried to do with Clark a couple of times),as i have said before i do think this is the model Carol wants for the club,either sign young players with potential or bring in our own through the club in the hope to sell them on at a later stage( a good model to go by if it works)..Crewe do it,Peterborough do it and Exeter do it,so it can be done.

The only trouble with the loan route is if they do really well then its hard to get them permanently 

Think the slight difference with Posh is that they will pay say up to 200 K on a rough diamond and then seem to get a huge profit.

Didn't pay off with Mr Miller , but they aren't shy of getting the cheque book out. 

Ivan Toney cost them big bucks and then sold on for silly money. 

Slightly off topic i was reading that Exeter are going to lose a lot of money on i think it's Randell Williams , guy with pony tail. He is injured now so can go for free at the end of the season having already rejected moves to The Championship. 

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Terrific signing. Just what we want.Young striker with pace. Looks good in the air. Scores goals with both feet. Been around a couple of seasons, so knows what to expect.To me there is more optim

Joe, I thought that Jake gave us energy that I struggle to remember anyone else doing for sometime. He also motivated Burgess who now looks lost. Together they formed a partnership that  allowed Joyce

He can still offer Vale a decent outlet if he's used properly. A clever player ,who has more to his game than just playing hoofball to him.He needs a Dodds type of player  to play off him.Admittedly T

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Mike Bagguley said in his latest article “don’t be surprised if we make another  signing before the end of the month”. I hope he’s right. We need security and then sadly off load. We just can’t afford the sick notes I’m afraid.
In terms of attracting players cast aside by premiership teams I’ve alluded to this in the past but we have to be mindful of money. These wonder kids earn a fortune at 18 and then many fade away so our scouting system has got to be tight and alert to everything going on. My mate ran the line when our youth played Chelsea a few years back and their players continually goaded ours about salaries. Those players never made it(few of ours did) but the potential must have been there.

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On 17/01/2021 at 08:14, darren1810 said:

 

Sadly we aren't a charity we are a League 2 club in the middle of a pandemic with little income. He has to be released, very sad but that's the reality. 

I don’t know about that. Some of the club’s charity work in the community has perhaps been more successful than anything on the pitch this season! 

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On 16/01/2021 at 14:04, MBE said:

I'm a little surprised by that decision. If we play 2 up front I thought Robinson would be a good partner getting him running in the channels as a backup to Rodney and Guthrie.

Cullen can't string 5 games together without an injury  - I would have de-registered him and let him find another club. It's highly unlikely we would persist with him beyond this season anyway.

I think Whitehead is lucky too, probably more down to our other Mr Glass. If Manny can't get at least 12 games between now and the end of the season then he should be another one released at the end of the season.

I agree with that. I think Theo, who has a year left, was worth a go ahead of Cullen. 

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Port Vale geographically is very near to clubs like City, United, Liverpool, Villa, Leicester, Forest, West Brom etc etc. All massive clubs who will invest heavily in their youth academies, but won't have many actually breaking through into the first team. I'd like to see us take a chance on 2/3/4 a season from these places.

I'd hope our scouts (do we have any?) would be building up a knowledge of the youth teams like most of us know the 1st teams. If you were to ask a football fan "who is the best left back in the Prem" then we'd all have an opinion. We need to be able to say "who are the best 5 left backs at U23 level?" and know the answer, then monitor them, then when they get released we can swoop in. There will be a LOT of good players that fall by the wayside if not given an opportunity. Look how well Aston Villa's youth team played against Liverpool, none of them were embarrassed.

I pine for the days of McPhee, Brooker, Cummins, MBW, Goodlad, Pilkington etc - young players that become sellable assets.

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49 minutes ago, TJHValiant said:

I agree with that. I think Theo, who has a year left, was worth a go ahead of Cullen. 

Theo has offered literally nothing. At least we know Cullen can perform for us as he was ok last season 

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2 hours ago, valiant_593 said:

Theo has offered literally nothing. At least we know Cullen can perform for us as he was ok last season 

Whats the point of having a player who is always injured now you only have 22 squad players to choose from. You can't afford to carry sick notes anymore.

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47 minutes ago, MBE said:

Whats the point of having a player who is always injured now you only have 22 squad players to choose from. You can't afford to carry sick notes anymore.

Now that the rules have changed, I expect changes in the close season, before then a bit of a shambles.

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1 hour ago, MBE said:

Whats the point of having a player who is always injured now you only have 22 squad players to choose from. You can't afford to carry sick notes anymore.

Don’t disagree. There isn’t. 

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On 17/01/2021 at 08:57, werstayinup said:

I know fans want some experienced players but i hope we can bring in a couple of athletic mobile younger players with a bit of pace now,hopefully a tall CB in the Innis kind of mould,you then hope you fall on a good one with a potential sell on value(thats what keeps a club going) like we have with Rodders and maybe Taylor which is why they get the long contracts.

I see Crawley have sold the young Doncaster cast off Watters after a few months for 1m

Yes,Watters has gone to Cardiff,who have also agreed a fee with Crwho for Perry Ng.

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8 hours ago, darren1810 said:

Think the slight difference with Posh is that they will pay say up to 200 K on a rough diamond and then seem to get a huge profit.

Didn't pay off with Mr Miller , but they aren't shy of getting the cheque book out. 

Ivan Toney cost them big bucks and then sold on for silly money. 

Slightly off topic i was reading that Exeter are going to lose a lot of money on i think it's Randell Williams , guy with pony tail. He is injured now so can go for free at the end of the season having already rejected moves to The Championship. 

I see what you mean,i just used them as an example where you can make money on unknowns,they did start off by getting in non league players selling them on then investing some of that money on better young players(like Toney) same when they signed Dembele from Grimsby,it looks like he could go for a fair whack.

I think if we sell anyone for decent money then with these owners it will get invested back in to the squad

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Just noticed Tyler Denton has gone to Kings Lynn,i actually rated him when he was at Vale,so shows what i know and how players can leave the football league if they aren't careful

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Hearing rumours we're after Pat Webber, recently released from Wigan.

Not sure where the rumours have come from.

21 year old LB/CB. Seems like another Crookes? Unless he is a specialist LB (can't find too much info on him!)

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43 minutes ago, valeparklife said:

Hearing rumours we're after Pat Webber, recently released from Wigan.

Not sure where the rumours have come from.

21 year old LB/CB. Seems like another Crookes? Unless he is a specialist LB (can't find too much info on him!)

Assume that Crookes is probably being de-registered in that case? Would seem overkill to have 5 centre halves and 4 players who are able to play left back.

I'll never have an issue with us taking on a young lad from a bigger club. Some will work, and some won't, but getting this process right as many times as you can is how you build a squad with young, cheap players with the potential to profit from. 

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Unfortunately, the more I look at the current squad, with its crop of old men, deadwood, and injury-prone players, the more I think we're going to need a 'rebuild' this summer.

Askey went for some evolution and it's backfired, and now we've got an old squad with a good number of players who are in decline/not good enough. The salary cap is going to dictate that we can't afford to have 2-3 players who are unavailable more than they are on the pitch. Our top earners are going to have to be playing 40+ games if they're going to eat into the cap.

We're also going to need a few U21s who don't have to be registered but can step in in cup games/injury crises; 1-2 from the academy and a couple from elsewhere. Treat them as a Development Squad. Look at non-league. Hurst was playing in tier 6, Rodney in tier 5. 

Tough decisions are going to have to be made on Brown, Legge, Joyce, and Pope; can we afford their wages still, whilst ensuring we aren't short elsewhere? 

The Salary Cap poses many problems but I quite like it; clubs have really got to sit down and make tough decisions. What % of your cap goes towards your forwards? How many minutes does each player have to contribute to earn his share of the cap? How can we be creative with young players to give us an advantage? Where do we spend the money, and where do we go for the cheaper option? 

If Pugh is installed, as I expect he will be, he should be planning now for what he's going to do this summer, as I think it'll be a big one. We can't afford a repeat of last year. 

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40 minutes ago, Joe B said:

Unfortunately, the more I look at the current squad, with its crop of old men, deadwood, and injury-prone players, the more I think we're going to need a 'rebuild' this summer.

Askey went for some evolution and it's backfired, and now we've got an old squad with a good number of players who are in decline/not good enough. The salary cap is going to dictate that we can't afford to have 2-3 players who are unavailable more than they are on the pitch. Our top earners are going to have to be playing 40+ games if they're going to eat into the cap.

We're also going to need a few U21s who don't have to be registered but can step in in cup games/injury crises; 1-2 from the academy and a couple from elsewhere. Treat them as a Development Squad. Look at non-league. Hurst was playing in tier 6, Rodney in tier 5. 

Tough decisions are going to have to be made on Brown, Legge, Joyce, and Pope; can we afford their wages still, whilst ensuring we aren't short elsewhere? 

The Salary Cap poses many problems but I quite like it; clubs have really got to sit down and make tough decisions. What % of your cap goes towards your forwards? How many minutes does each player have to contribute to earn his share of the cap? How can we be creative with young players to give us an advantage? Where do we spend the money, and where do we go for the cheaper option? 

If Pugh is installed, as I expect he will be, he should be planning now for what he's going to do this summer, as I think it'll be a big one. We can't afford a repeat of last year. 

Well Pugh has 2 weeks to have a play around now he is isolating. 

Can see a big turn around of players this summer.  We can't keep players who can only play a couple of games - then need 2 months off due to injuries.  Not with only a 22 man squad now.

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