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Stop turning on each other with abuse its ridiculous.  Disagree by all means . We are all sick to death of what's going on but abusing others is crackers   

But everyone was delighted that all the players we had last season re-signed.  Folk were orgasmic when Smith re-signed.  Yet now they're rubbish, too old, etc.  Some re-writing of history going on on

I know it’s sacrilege to suggest it but does anyone else think Scott Brown has fallen below his usual extremely high standards recently?

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A number of them have been poor recently and way below their potential. I include Clark and Smith in this. And Burgess (sorry) has been largely anonymous all season long (bar a couple of games).

If Askey wants to shake it up he could conceivably bring in Mills (is he 100% match fit?) and move/drop Clark.

Burgess does not warrant a starting place, so it's Joyce, Oyeleke and one more for me (Worrall maybe? Hurst as an outside gamble?)

The front three? Who knows? And that's one reason why we've been poor. No-one knows our best front three. Worrall probably. Is Amoo fit? But who else has played consistently well to cement a place? On the strength of ten minutes probably Rodney.

The ONE thing we need to do is to start well and put in some real effort from the off.

I think we're all fed up of watching paint dry for 45 minutes and only upping the tempo after half-time.

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What ever happens on Saturday I hope the players crawl of the pitch absolutely knackered. I am not prepared to put up with lethargic half hearted performances. Its worrying at the mo wish I could be more positive I just think we lack some steel and guts. Loose this then I think we have got consider changes.  

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Why’ve you said that? He’s only expressed an opinion. 
Because it was clear from his post that he's only come on here to post all negative, in no way objective, of which there's been more than enough for the past couple of weeks. He expressed his 'opinion', I expressed mine. Becoming rather a precious lot on here aren't we?

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1 hour ago, philmpv said:
1 hour ago, CAVALIER said:
Why’ve you said that? He’s only expressed an opinion. 

Because it was clear from his post that he's only come on here to post all negative, in no way objective, of which there's been more than enough for the past couple of weeks. He expressed his 'opinion', I expressed mine. Becoming rather a precious lot on here aren't we?

No I did no come on here to be negative I came on here as I do everyday to read the latest vale posts. As I mentioned before I dont post on here much anymore normally come on just to read posts. 

All ive done is say what most people would have said I'd expect us to lose on Saturday doesnt mean that we will. You say there's been lots of negative posts on here yet you choose to pick on my 1 post that I've put and you clearly arnt bothered 1 bit about how your reply has made me feel. Due to your post ive had to ring samaritans to stop myself from doing something like self harming. If anything I can say you have only come on here to cause trouble and upset people and that's what you have clearly done with me you don't even have the decency to apologise.

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No I did no come on here to be negative I came on here as I do everyday to read the latest vale posts. As I mentioned before I dont post on here much anymore normally come on just to read posts. 
All ive done is say what most people would have said I'd expect us to lose on Saturday doesnt mean that we will. You say there's been lots of negative posts on here yet you choose to pick on my 1 post that I've put and you clearly arnt bothered 1 bit about how your reply has made me feel. Due to your post ive had to ring samaritans to stop myself from doing something like self harming. If anything I can say you have only come on here to cause trouble and upset people and that's what you have clearly done with me you don't even have the decency to apologise.
If I do something wrong I'm the first to apologise. But I haven't. So I won't. You're the one who resorted to personal abuse. Sorry to hear about your mental health issues but seeking to blame me for them and attempting a guilt trip is just crass. Hope you get the help you clearly need.

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I have literally no idea what team we’ll play vs Orient, but I recall that last year we seemed to come good after playing them, an ironically conceding late in a 3-3 draw, so who knows.

I just don’t think Askey’s favoured 4-3-3 fits what we have, in any area of the pitch but especially midfield.

The front three variably consists of two wide men - Worrall and Amoo - who hug the touch line and so are miles away from the striker offering little / no support. The midfield is too static and there are no players breaking to offer support to the striker, again leaving him isolated and battling for scraps and chasing lost causes.

We also seem very susceptible again midfield runners. Even before Joyce’s sending off and even at 2-0 up, I never felt we were in control of midfield at all, in fact we were getting completely overrun. This even seems to happen when we have 3 vs 2. For some reason, we don’t have enough guile in there and we are carrying somebody somewhere. 

I keep harping on about it but I feel it’s time to try 3.5.2 but I suspect pigs might fly before Askey goes down that route.

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2 minutes ago, Biddulph_PV said:

I have literally no idea what team we’ll play vs Orient, but I recall that last year we seemed to come good after playing them, an ironically conceding late in a 3-3 draw, so who knows.

I just don’t think Askey’s favoured 4-3-3 fits what we have, in any area of the pitch but especially midfield.

The front three variably consists of two wide men - Worrall and Amoo - who hug the touch line and so are miles away from the striker offering little / no support. The midfield is too static and there are no players breaking to offer support to the striker, again leaving him isolated and battling for scraps and chasing lost causes.

We also seem very susceptible again midfield runners. Even before Joyce’s sending off and at 2-0 up vs Tranny, I never felt we were in control of midfield at all, in fact we were getting completely overrun. This even seems to happen when we have 3 vs 2. For some reason, we don’t have enough guile in there and we are carrying somebody somewhere. 

I keep harping on about it but I feel it’s time to try 3.5.2 but I suspect pigs might fly before Askey goes down that route.

 

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If we score in the 1st 20 mins we might just see the team regain some confidence and see out a win. If not I expect the game to follow a similar pattern to most we have seen at Vale Park this season and another frustrating afternoon.

JA will revert back to 433 with his favoured personnel where possible, he said as much in his interview after Tuesdays game. 

Make no mistake these are a half decent side at this level and much better than the team we played last year. 

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10 hours ago, Andy Proctor said:

No I did no come on here to be negative I came on here as I do everyday to read the latest vale posts. As I mentioned before I dont post on here much anymore normally come on just to read posts. 

All ive done is say what most people would have said I'd expect us to lose on Saturday doesnt mean that we will. You say there's been lots of negative posts on here yet you choose to pick on my 1 post that I've put and you clearly arnt bothered 1 bit about how your reply has made me feel. Due to your post ive had to ring samaritans to stop myself from doing something like self harming. If anything I can say you have only come on here to cause trouble and upset people and that's what you have clearly done with me you don't even have the decency to apologise.

Andy mate

He wasn't picking on you personally, probable that your post was the most recent in his mind that he had just read. We all get quoted and disagreed with on here, part and parcel of the site.

A couple of Christmases ago i made a post on here asking if anybody knew you because i was extremely concerned for your welfare after some posts you made on the other site that me and you frequent ( Football Forums ) . You sadly have some mental health issues , are you receiving help for these ? I hope you are mate and you can overcome and manage your troubles.

But somebody on here making a post should not be carrying the burden of you having to call the Samaritans. He does not need to apologise to you, i'm sure he is concerned about the manner of your post as i obviously am by posting this.

Please seek professional help and get well soon fellow Valeite.

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9 hours ago, Biddulph_PV said:

I have literally no idea what team we’ll play vs Orient, but I recall that last year we seemed to come good after playing them, an ironically conceding late in a 3-3 draw, so who knows.

I just don’t think Askey’s favoured 4-3-3 fits what we have, in any area of the pitch but especially midfield.

The front three variably consists of two wide men - Worrall and Amoo - who hug the touch line and so are miles away from the striker offering little / no support. The midfield is too static and there are no players breaking to offer support to the striker, again leaving him isolated and battling for scraps and chasing lost causes.

We also seem very susceptible again midfield runners. Even before Joyce’s sending off and even at 2-0 up, I never felt we were in control of midfield at all, in fact we were getting completely overrun. This even seems to happen when we have 3 vs 2. For some reason, we don’t have enough guile in there and we are carrying somebody somewhere. 

I keep harping on about it but I feel it’s time to try 3.5.2 but I suspect pigs might fly before Askey goes down that route.

I went to that game Biddulph, that was the game where Manny was injured really early and Burgess came on to form the partnership with Taylor which then blossomed.

One of the best games of the season again frustrated by a last gasp goal after a mix up between Brown and Legge.

I'll take a repeat of the scrappy dour 1-0 home win against these to stop the rot before we go to an in form Bolton who are about to leapfrog us in the table after being a laughing stock for most of the season.

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On 25/11/2020 at 14:02, TheSage said:

In my humble opinion, our best XI is Brown, Clark, Legge, Smith, Monty, Oyeleke, Joyce, Conlon, Amoo, Pope, Worrall - and if we can field this starting XI we'll be ok but no more than that. I'd give these lads a run together and if we need to replace/change some then so be it. 

The problem is of course that this is an ageing team and no-one we signed in the summer deserves a regular starting place for me, though Rodney shows flashes of ability. Sadly, the rest are mediocre and we still very much rely on the injury prone Oyeleke who remains key in midfield as well as the equally injury prone Monty who gives us a bit of the x factor.

I hope we can turn it around. The first goal will be crucial, otherwise heads could drop and "here we go again."

But how many of that team will be fit to play?

Anyone disagree with my selection?

I must be honest I can't see anything but that side. Managers will go back to players who have been there, seen it,  done it when trying to break a bad run. Maybe Rodney over Amoo if he wants more goals in the team.

Basically the side that started against Tranmere. Really the current bad run is down to Joyce's moment of madness. Until that moment we were on to run out as comfortable winners. Problems then built on problems. Would Legge have been left quite so exposed for his two yellows in Joyce had played against Newport? Would Stevenage forwards have found it so easy to pull the two centrehalves out of position if Joyce had been tracking into the space they were using. There first goal Oyeleke was in the frame but about 5 metres  further forward of the centrehalves than Joyce is defending walking back into position. Second goal there was a big space for their foward to drop into between the defence and midfield,  collect the ball, spin and then knock it into space.  I think for the second goal it was Burgess just standing and not dropping into the space infront of the centrehalves. 

One thing I noticed a few times against Stevenage was Oyeleke automatically drops into a centrehalf position when teams attack down the wing. Thats ok if the centrehalf stays out wide to cover the fullback. The problem was our centrehalves are used to Joyce who drops in to cover the fullback and the centrehalf gets back to win a header. We ended up with too many players in the 6 yard box and a big gap behind the fullback for their wide player to play the ball into. They got a lot of dangerous balls in, particularly down our right, because of that.

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