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13 minutes ago, philmpv said:

I am a believer in continuity where possible. Up until 5 league games ago few were seriously questioning JA's position. The players are clearly, to me, still playing for him, and we haven't turned into a p1ss poor team overnight. What goals, today, can you seriously blame on the manager? Their first was from Joyce (not a JA signing) not intercepting the ball in. Their second was an absolute comedy of errors that wouldn't happen again if that game was played another 99 times. Their third was poor defensive positioning from monty and smith (neither JA signings). Yes, JA has his flaws, but name me a manager who hadn't. It's through sheer persistence and patience that we'll get through this. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but I genuinely don't think changing the manager is the answer. I'm entitled to my opinion as much as you are yours

Absolutely spot on. Completely agree. 
 

A lot of fans are this forum are too impatient. 

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Stop turning on each other with abuse its ridiculous.  Disagree by all means . We are all sick to death of what's going on but abusing others is crackers   

But everyone was delighted that all the players we had last season re-signed.  Folk were orgasmic when Smith re-signed.  Yet now they're rubbish, too old, etc.  Some re-writing of history going on on

I know it’s sacrilege to suggest it but does anyone else think Scott Brown has fallen below his usual extremely high standards recently?

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1 minute ago, Vale1995 said:

Listen to him after the game literally most lack luster manager ive ever seen. Honestly how is he inspiring the players and getting there confidence up hed struggle get jimmy saville motivated in a playground 

What has how Askey talks to the press after a game got to do with how he motivates his players? Unless you know a player or a source to say otherwise you don’t know that the players are not motivated by him.

They were pretty motivated this afternoon and but for some schoolboy defending we would have either won or got a draw. The players are making errors but they are certainly not unmotivated. Not from the game I watched this afternoon.  

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11 minutes ago, philmpv said:

I am a believer in continuity where possible. Up until 5 league games ago few were seriously questioning JA's position. The players are clearly, to me, still playing for him, and we haven't turned into a p1ss poor team overnight. What goals, today, can you seriously blame on the manager? Their first was from Joyce (not a JA signing) not intercepting the ball in. Their second was an absolute comedy of errors that wouldn't happen again if that game was played another 99 times. Their third was poor defensive positioning from monty and smith (neither JA signings). Yes, JA has his flaws, but name me a manager who hadn't. It's through sheer persistence and patience that we'll get through this. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but I genuinely don't think changing the manager is the answer. I'm entitled to my opinion as much as you are yours

Never said you weren’t. That’s why I asked as I genuinely wanted to know. 

Personally I don’t see how anyone can defend him. He picks the players, he’s signed the players (well the not very good ones). I still don’t think we’re a good side. Certainly not to the level some thought we were. We’re not a young side and many of our better players are probably in there last season at this level. For me his signings have been nothing short of woeful. Tactically I don’t mind the 433 and it worked last season however there is no plan b. He never replaced Taylor. 

You say he has no blame today but he does. Yes their goals were from some shocking errors. But askeys subs were poor yet again. When amoo is injured pope or even Cullen should have come on, move Rodney out wide where he is better. But no. Left it far too late to actually make changes again. I could also argue that Monty wouldn’t score from his shot if he tried it another 99 times. We’re a poor side and that’s down to the manager who has had transfer windows to improve the side and hasn’t. He really is starting to get to me in his interviews now. So lifeless and dull, it’s never really bothered me before but as we continue to get beat be seemingly everyone I expect to see a bit of passion but no. 

Where are we 13th / 14th something like that. And every side below us has at least 1 game in hand some with 3! Out of the fa cup in the 1st round to a pub side. 6 losses in a row. 

Not sure when it becomes the managers fault? For me I would have got rid after Tuesday. I don’t think askey knows how to turn this around and he should definitely resign / be sacked after today imo. 

Maybe through patience we could get through it. Maybe through patience and keeping the manager of a side who’s lost 6 in a row we will get dragged into yet another relegation battle in the basement of English football. 

If we have any ambition as a club he has to go. 

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8 minutes ago, Chopper Harris said:

Absolutely spot on. Completely agree. 
 

A lot of fans are this forum are too impatient. 

6 losses in a row. 2 to second bottom. 1 to a pub side. Only 2 goals from open play in those 6 games. 

How the hell are fans being inpatient? We’ve been at this rubbish level for years and been told by the club that they won’t be finishing 8th this season. We’ve been told we apparently have a strong squad full of options up top.... we are weaker than last season and going backwards. If anything fans are showing patience. He needs to go 

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2 minutes ago, grand prix pants said:

Do you think we'll make the top 7 this season?

I have no idea where we will end up finishing. We are in November and the season finishes in May. Why is it that we have to finish in the top 7? We haven’t finished in a playoff spot for over a decade. What is wrong with building a team gradually and winning promotion. I am not being negative just a realist. There are 24 teams all wanting the same thing. We are not entitled to anything. 

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2 minutes ago, Chopper Harris said:

I have no idea where we will end up finishing. We are in November and the season finishes in May. Why is it that we have to finish in the top 7? We haven’t finished in a playoff spot for over a decade. What is wrong with building a team gradually and winning promotion. I am not being negative just a realist. There are 24 teams all wanting the same thing. We are not entitled to anything. 

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1 minute ago, Chopper Harris said:

I have no idea where we will end up finishing. We are in November and the season finishes in May. Why is it that we have to finish in the top 7? We haven’t finished in a playoff spot for over a decade. What is wrong with building a team gradually and winning promotion. I am not being negative just a realist. There are 24 teams all wanting the same thing. We are not entitled to anything. 

We have not had a playoff spot in a decade because for over half of said decade we were in league 1 and the other bit was the decline with the promotion achieved automatically in the middle. 
 

Recent years have been awful with Askey appearing to have started a turn around. This has now ended. 
 

Div 4 is not good enough. 

 

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25 minutes ago, philmpv said:

I am a believer in continuity where possible. Up until 5 league games ago few were seriously questioning JA's position. The players are clearly, to me, still playing for him, and we haven't turned into a p1ss poor team overnight. What goals, today, can you seriously blame on the manager? Their first was from Joyce (not a JA signing) not intercepting the ball in. Their second was an absolute comedy of errors that wouldn't happen again if that game was played another 99 times. Their third was poor defensive positioning from monty and smith (neither JA signings). Yes, JA has his flaws, but name me a manager who hadn't. It's through sheer persistence and patience that we'll get through this. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but I genuinely don't think changing the manager is the answer. I'm entitled to my opinion as much as you are yours

I don’t think ‘(not a JA signing)’ is a very good defence of askey to be honest because it just highlights that his signings can’t get into his own team.

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3 minutes ago, TJHValiant said:

Club match report reckons we “dominated”. Such delusion is harmful and just not being honest to fans. 

I missed most of the first half so can’t comment on that, but we did dominate the second half without a doubt.

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1 hour ago, Gareths54 said:

There’s no chance of any change unfortunately we have a owner who’s main interest is to plough all the money the club generates ie Man City / tv money plus checkatrade trophy etc into the pot to pay the outstanding payments to Smurthwaite.

Secondly we have a none league manager whose recruitment is dire and has been fortunate to inherit most of his squad from previous managers and reliant on Phil Sprostons contacts.

In brief the club has had no ambition for years despite having a core base of loyal supporters and is happy to make do with second rate managers and players alike.



 

That first bit is total and utter twonkles,they have ploughed money into supporting the players and the club with no income other than the season ticket money and yes they keep up their payments to gorm,they also have plans further down the chain that money will be used for......really lucky to have them and when decisions are to be made they will make them and i will support them whatever they choose to do.

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