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Thought I’d start this thread so it doesn’t get lost in the match threads. Some of our fan base this season has been an embarrassment, calling for Askey to be sacked. We need to take a step back,

Bollox. If you mean 80/90% of posts, you may be close to the mark, but the vast majority of those posts were made by the same half dozen who pop up vociferously whenever we lose. You've fallen into th

I think that the counter attacking way in which we play is probably more to do with the last few seasons performance rather than the way the manager wants to play. We are not in a mid table existence.

I would be very surprised if John Askey was relieved of his duties before the end of the season.

I was happy that we re-signed the players who were out of contract at the end of last season but I was hoping that the new signings were of a better standard that we had last season and we would replace the aging legs of Legge, Joyce and Pope along with a decent attacking midfielder. Unfortunately we didn't and I believe is the reason we are in the state we are now. I think the current squad is going to leave us mid table so no real worries at the business end of the season.

With this in mind I can see Carol writing this season off and not throwing money at the problem by sacking Askey and replacing him with another manager. With this covid situation we are in, the club needs to be as prudent as it can and the cost of sacking Askey and his back room staff along with the salary for the incoming staff could be too draining on the finances at a time of little income. Add to this the cost of new players and it does not make sense to sack Askey because of the costings alone. You also have to remember that we already have a squad of 22 and to replace players in January you would have to sell some. The next question is who would want any of our current squad especially when clubs are in a bad way financially during these unusual times.

It might not be palatable at the moment but I am sure many fans will agree with my reasoning even if I am not happy with the way we are going at the moment.

 

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3 minutes ago, Birches Head Fred said:
17 minutes ago, valiant_593 said:
Don’t think people care as long as we actually win some games 

Going back from 1968 only four managers who won more than they lost : Gordon Lee, John Rudge, Micky Adams and John Askey !!!

Good evening Birches Head Fred,

Pointless facts are something that I myself, really enjoy.

One hopes you don't mind me sharing one with you also?

Here goes!

Did you know that Rob Page had a better win percentage than John Rudge?

37.6% to 37.1%.
 

All the very best,

Jeff.

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26 minutes ago, rayzer said:

I would be very surprised if John Askey was relieved of his duties before the end of the season.

I was happy that we re-signed the players who were out of contract at the end of last season but I was hoping that the new signings were of a better standard that we had last season and we would replace the aging legs of Legge, Joyce and Pope along with a decent attacking midfielder. Unfortunately we didn't and I believe is the reason we are in the state we are now. I think the current squad is going to leave us mid table so no real worries at the business end of the season.

With this in mind I can see Carol writing this season off and not throwing money at the problem by sacking Askey and replacing him with another manager. With this covid situation we are in, the club needs to be as prudent as it can and the cost of sacking Askey and his back room staff along with the salary for the incoming staff could be too draining on the finances at a time of little income. Add to this the cost of new players and it does not make sense to sack Askey because of the costings alone. You also have to remember that we already have a squad of 22 and to replace players in January you would have to sell some. The next question is who would want any of our current squad especially when clubs are in a bad way financially during these unusual times.

It might not be palatable at the moment but I am sure many fans will agree with my reasoning even if I am not happy with the way we are going at the moment.

 

Absolutely brilliant ,constructive ,sensible summing up.Too many people forget the bigger picture, as we are very lucky to have a football club.

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21 minutes ago, Jeff. said:

Good evening Birches Head Fred,

Pointless facts are something that I myself, really enjoy.

One hopes you don't mind me sharing one with you also?

Here goes!

Did you know that Rob Page had a better win percentage than John Rudge?

37.6% to 37.1%.
 

All the very best,

Jeff.

Godd evening to yourself Jeff,

quite an interesting pointless fact that.

As an aside, could you enlighten us to Mr. Askeys win percentage for Port Vale ?

Regards

Fred.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Birches Head Fred said:

Godd evening to yourself Jeff,

quite an interesting pointless fact that.

As an aside, could you enlighten us to Mr. Askeys win percentage for Port Vale ?

Regards

Fred.

 

 

38.6%

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1 minute ago, Birches Head Fred said:

Godd evening to yourself Jeff,

quite an interesting pointless fact that.

As an aside, could you enlighten us to Mr. Askeys win percentage for Port Vale ?

Regards

Fred.

 

 

Good evening again Fred,

I hope you don't mind me referring to you as Fred.

Of course, I'd be delighted too. 

In all competitions John Colin Askey has a win percentage of 38.6%. 

32 victories. 22 draws. 29 defeats.

All the very best,

Jeff. 

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23 minutes ago, rayzer said:

I would be very surprised if John Askey was relieved of his duties before the end of the season.

I was happy that we re-signed the players who were out of contract at the end of last season but I was hoping that the new signings were of a better standard that we had last season and we would replace the aging legs of Legge, Joyce and Pope along with a decent attacking midfielder. Unfortunately we didn't and I believe is the reason we are in the state we are now. I think the current squad is going to leave us mid table so no real worries at the business end of the season.

With this in mind I can see Carol writing this season off and not throwing money at the problem by sacking Askey and replacing him with another manager. With this covid situation we are in, the club needs to be as prudent as it can and the cost of sacking Askey and his back room staff along with the salary for the incoming staff could be too draining on the finances at a time of little income. Add to this the cost of new players and it does not make sense to sack Askey because of the costings alone. You also have to remember that we already have a squad of 22 and to replace players in January you would have to sell some. The next question is who would want any of our current squad especially when clubs are in a bad way financially during these unusual times.

It might not be palatable at the moment but I am sure many fans will agree with my reasoning even if I am not happy with the way we are going at the moment.

 

Ray, I disagree with your thought that Carol won't do anything. I've seen you mention the cost of getting rid of the staff as a key factor. It shouldn't be. I would imagine the staff have the same pay-off agreement as Askey does. If we were really and truly sure that this was to be a promotion season (Or at least a very decent effort at it), then this shouldn't be a factor. 'Writing' this season off would actually, be a medium/long-term nightmare for us in my opinion. This is the last season that a club could effectively overspend the salary cap (All players signed before the cap was agreed are charged to the cap at approximately 70-75k or less) and still fall in line. In future when we sign someone, their full salary will count. We were one of those clubs that signed players before the cap came in to take advantage along with some other ambitious clubs. So there was obviously a thought that we should be competing at the top end of the league. Having spoken to Carol as part of the podcast, my opinion was that promotion was the expectation before we started. I don't think it will be ok that we don't make it this year in Carol's expectations, and I would expect that if she thinks she can right the ship she will do what is necessary. Whether that is sacking the manager or not, I don't know. But I think she'll take the best approach to make Port Vale successful, if we have to pay some get rid of some people and it costs some money, I think the costs will be acceptable if it means we can be successful.

 

I do concur that the recruitment in the summer was poor. We signed more 'competition' and depth than we did outright starters. The striking situation in particular is absurd when you think about it. Pope/Cullen/Robinson/Rodney. 4 strikers for one starting role! I know Rodney is a developing player, but we didn't need two extra backups when there was virtually no chance of a long-term move to playing 2 strikers. I didn't like that we thought we had the replacement to Legge on the books either. I thought at Legge's age, this was the perfect time to move him to playing 25-30 games a season. Are Brisley/Crookes good enough to get us up? I don't think either of us have shown that. McKirdy's signing also was weird to me. He didn't seem a fit at all with our mentality. 

 

Who knows what will happen next. What I do know is that the people in charge shouldn't be afraid to make decisions in the short-term if they benefit the club in the long-term. If it is truly a cost issue, then I would be disappointed as I believed we were more financially secure than that.

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1 hour ago, Joe B said:

No, I didn't suggest we did. I just want out of it. Not in the slightest the same. Not even sure what your point is. I was referring to Parkinson, despite being an odious character, would probably give us a better chance of getting promoted, considering his record?

It's absolutely s*** supporting a s*** football team your entire life. It's miserable.

I know it’s <ovf censored>.  But one bad run doesn’t mean we should automatically make a rash decision because we’re frustrated at being stuck in this league. Chopping and changing managers may not be the answer, but then again it may be.  Big decisions for Carol as to whether we should stick or twist. But without the necessary resources will we ever see a return to the “glory days”.  

58 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

We have one loan player at the moment whom we could swap.  Who would swap Mitch Clark for Jake Taylor????

In a heartbeat. I wouldn’t be surprised if we go back in for Taylor in January. Is there a rule on the amount of loans or what they count for in regards to the salary stuff? 

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36 minutes ago, Jeff. said:

Good evening again Fred,

I hope you don't mind me referring to you as Fred.

Of course, I'd be delighted too. 

In all competitions John Colin Askey has a win percentage of 38.6%. 

32 victories. 22 draws. 29 defeats.

All the very best,

Jeff. 

Cheers for that Jeff  and no, I don't mind you referring to me as Fred - I've been referred to as much worse.

I'm not into stats too much myself but 38.6% sounds pretty reasonable to me, however it's only my opinion.

Regards

Fred

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His win percentage average is a lot worse than JA. On what basis is he a good fit for us, out of genuine interest?
Most of those games were in L1, not the National League.

He has 1 x promotion to L1 and 2 x promotions to the Championship under his belt.

Knows L2 and L1 well and more suited to "underdog" clubs rather than the cash splashers.

But I'm sure you're happy with JA signing non league players every year eh?

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There are many constructive, realistic and honest posts here.

My thoughts replicate many.

It has been poor, even last season, lack of goals may have been our downfall, particularly in games over 2 legs in the play-offs. (I'm sure we would have made it)

We looked organised, fit and tidy last season which 'may' have been enough.

A good start to this season was expected, results wise it delivered. There were cracks there, particularly in terms of creativity and firepower. I have said many times that Tom Pope is still our best forward. Nathan Smith our best player.

Strong contributions from Brown, Legge, Joyce, Worrall and Amoo should ensure a top ten finish imo.

Recruitment has not offered much and not improved the team that much, Fitzpatrick the pick of the bunch, not being able to recruit Jake Taylor has been a big miss.

We are currently struggling, the things that made us a steady dependable side are failing, there are many reasons for this.

It's not bad luck as John Askey might say.

For me Carol and the board are measured and astute and I'm confident they will do what's right for the club going forward.

If performances and more importantly results don't improve quite quickly, there is only one outcome. We all know that, so does john Askey

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2 hours ago, Norfolk Enclue said:

I was, still am really, an Askey "in" Vale fan, although after the Stevenage game in particular, I've drifted from outright support to an indifferent one. I think that John has the 4 league games to Christmas to improve matters. If performances fall further or flatline with no improvement evident, and subsequently results follow suit then he'll be gone by Walsall. Possibly Colchester if things really do fall off a cliff

Norfolk Enclue ,you will draw the line at 8 or 9 league defeats on the trot?

Out of interest hypothetically what would you think if we lost to Bolton, did well in the Pizza trophy then drew or lost v Colchester? Enough signs of recovery to get another go against Walsall?

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2 hours ago, rayzer said:

It might not be palatable at the moment but I am sure many fans will agree with my reasoning even if I am not happy with the way we are going at the moment.

Very fair valid points and could be a factor.

I hope the club have a different logic though. There should be a sense of urgency to go up this season due to the ageing squad and capitalise on the feel good factor of the club. Playing in L1 with crowds next year would substantially increase revenue streams and fans interest.

If we do nothing and finish mid table then it will be a really big rebuild job in L2 in the summer.

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