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17 hours ago, Tony Rodriguez said:

I find the majority of posts on here quite bizarre. In no business other than football would you rip up your budgets, sack the  management in whom you have invested money and upon whom you rely as they have more knowledge than you do and deliberately send your business in to a period of turbulence, all on the basis of a couple of bad weeks.

indeed Tony. But football is like nothing else. Not every sacking sees clubs in turbulent times.

And by the way i'm a keep Askey person.

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Thought I’d start this thread so it doesn’t get lost in the match threads. Some of our fan base this season has been an embarrassment, calling for Askey to be sacked. We need to take a step back,

The owners trust Askey with the task.  That's good enough for me.

Bollox. If you mean 80/90% of posts, you may be close to the mark, but the vast majority of those posts were made by the same half dozen who pop up vociferously whenever we lose. You've fallen into th

18 hours ago, Tony Rodriguez said:

I find the majority of posts on here quite bizarre. In no business other than football would you rip up your budgets, sack the  management in whom you have invested money and upon whom you rely as they have more knowledge than you do and deliberately send your business in to a period of turbulence, all on the basis of a couple of bad weeks.

Yeah but football Dosent work like that does it? 

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21 hours ago, Guitar Ray said:

You were the one to use the terms “sanctimonious” and “patronising” initially though Joe.  So it’s OK for you to use the terms towards me but not OK for me to reciprocate without you having a tantrum.  Sorry, I didn’t realise these were the rules.

As I said, good luck with your blog.  That’s not me being patronising, but a genuine sentiment.  👍🏻

Yes, as I felt you were being sanctimonious and patronising by accusing Vale fans of being short-termist 'win means good loss means bad' judges.

I mean, if you wish to label the blog I never promote/share and use as a side-hobby for about 5 readers as 'patronising and sanctimonious', then that's fine, but I think we both know it's a wide of the mark effort.

I appreciate the sentiment but, as I said, I'm not trying to grow; it's just a bin for me to lob long articles out on instead of clogging up OVF.

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I detest Parkinson but he's a good League 2 manager. 

Promotion with Bradford from this level, promotion with Bolton under some financial restrictions (and then keeping them in the Championship, which they'd kill for now).

He's failed at Sunderland but so did Ross, and there's a big culture/ownership issue there with Donald looking to sell for the past couple of years.

Would have him here, no question. We can't be picky about style of play.

It's not going to happen as Askey is going nowhere but it does shoot a hole in the argument of 'who else'.

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1 hour ago, valiant_593 said:

Yeah but football Dosent work like that does it? 

Yeah a weird post.

We spend our entire life convinces ourselves that football is different, means more, etc etc, and then act confused when it isn't treated like a business.

If we're using business analogies; what would Askey's Key Performance Indicators have been this season? I can't imagine it was out of both cups and the 2nd most losses in the division, losing more games by the end of November than he did in the entirety of last season.

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1 hour ago, Joe B said:

Yeah a weird post.

We spend our entire life convinces ourselves that football is different, means more, etc etc, and then act confused when it isn't treated like a business.

If we're using business analogies; what would Askey's Key Performance Indicators have been this season? I can't imagine it was out of both cups and the 2nd most losses in the division, losing more games by the end of November than he did in the entirety of last season.

Perhaps you should write him a report.

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1 hour ago, Joe B said:

I detest Parkinson but he's a good League 2 manager. 

Promotion with Bradford from this level, promotion with Bolton under some financial restrictions (and then keeping them in the Championship, which they'd kill for now).

He's failed at Sunderland but so did Ross, and there's a big culture/ownership issue there with Donald looking to sell for the past couple of years.

Would have him here, no question. We can't be picky about style of play.

It's not going to happen as Askey is going nowhere but it does shoot a hole in the argument of 'who else'.

I thought folk didn’t want someone who always sounds miserable in his interviews?  

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1 minute ago, Jacko51 said:

I thought folk didn’t want someone who always sounds miserable in his interviews?  

I'm not bothered what they sound like. I just want out of this horrendous league I've spend over half my life following Vale around. 

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5 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

I thought folk didn’t want someone who always sounds miserable in his interviews?  

Good evening Jacko,

I hope you are having a thoroughly enjoyable Monday evening.

Who would your choice of manager be? 

All the very best,

Jeff. 

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I was, still am really, an Askey "in" Vale fan, although after the Stevenage game in particular, I've drifted from outright support to an indifferent one. I think that John has the 4 league games to Christmas to improve matters. If performances fall further or flatline with no improvement evident, and subsequently results follow suit then he'll be gone by Walsall. Possibly Colchester if things really do fall off a cliff. Carol is an astute business lady and its my guess will already have more than half an eye on possible replacements. I would be the first to thank John and seriously wish him well. One small saving grace would be a new Manager would likely have time to assess the squad with the remaining December matches, Barrow and Bradford City's and the New Year to work the January window. I hope sincerely that Mr Askey and his staff can turn it around, but I feel that it has to be very very soon. 

 

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10 minutes ago, PV1973 said:

Unfortunately no one has a divine right to be out of any league. 

No, I didn't suggest we did. I just want out of it. Not in the slightest the same. Not even sure what your point is. I was referring to Parkinson, despite being an odious character, would probably give us a better chance of getting promoted, considering his record?

It's absolutely s*** supporting a s*** football team your entire life. It's miserable.

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I would be very surprised if John Askey was relieved of his duties before the end of the season.

I was happy that we re-signed the players who were out of contract at the end of last season but I was hoping that the new signings were of a better standard that we had last season and we would replace the aging legs of Legge, Joyce and Pope along with a decent attacking midfielder. Unfortunately we didn't and I believe is the reason we are in the state we are now. I think the current squad is going to leave us mid table so no real worries at the business end of the season.

With this in mind I can see Carol writing this season off and not throwing money at the problem by sacking Askey and replacing him with another manager. With this covid situation we are in, the club needs to be as prudent as it can and the cost of sacking Askey and his back room staff along with the salary for the incoming staff could be too draining on the finances at a time of little income. Add to this the cost of new players and it does not make sense to sack Askey because of the costings alone. You also have to remember that we already have a squad of 22 and to replace players in January you would have to sell some. The next question is who would want any of our current squad especially when clubs are in a bad way financially during these unusual times.

It might not be palatable at the moment but I am sure many fans will agree with my reasoning even if I am not happy with the way we are going at the moment.

 

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