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Well it’s down to Carol this is when it gets difficult. Wouldn’t life be great if there were no ups or downs. Evil Santa won’t let Carol off with falling behind on the payments that he is owed. 
It’s Carol’s investment that’s going south and I’m not so sure that if we get back to normal that the number of fans they were expecting to comeback will with what’s happening at the moment. 
It’s a simple equation if the players are causing problems then leave them out or try to get rid of them, unless it’s most of the team, then it must be the manager so JA needs to go.

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Thought I’d start this thread so it doesn’t get lost in the match threads. Some of our fan base this season has been an embarrassment, calling for Askey to be sacked. We need to take a step back,

The owners trust Askey with the task.  That's good enough for me.

Bollox. If you mean 80/90% of posts, you may be close to the mark, but the vast majority of those posts were made by the same half dozen who pop up vociferously whenever we lose. You've fallen into th

If it’s like when my kids were at after school club then you isolate from two weeks after last contact with the Covid infected individual so Pope could of had last contact prior to the Tranmere game... played but the person who tested positive didn’t get a positive test until just after. Hence for instance my kids only had to isolate for 7 days!

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25 minutes ago, Playa Amodores said:

Well it’s down to Carol this is when it gets difficult. Wouldn’t life be great if there were no ups or downs. Evil Santa won’t let Carol off with falling behind on the payments that he is owed. 
It’s Carol’s investment that’s going south and I’m not so sure that if we get back to normal that the number of fans they were expecting to comeback will with what’s happening at the moment. 
It’s a simple equation if the players are causing problems then leave them out or try to get rid of them, unless it’s most of the team, then it must be the manager so JA needs to go.

At lot of people are out of the habit of going to the game. Take a lot to encourage some from their armchair to watch Stevenage when we are 16th. 

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One of Popes kids tested positive I believe. 
 
I never got carried away with Clark’s performances when he was here before. Hes clearly got talent and probably one of the best full backs in the league on his day. This season I think has highlighted his defensive failings and his work rate has been nowhere near what it should be in an attacking sense either, disappointing so far. Is that down to Askey though? I don’t think so personally. 
 
Yates makes a fair comment, he hasn’t worked out at other clubs and we’re taking a bit of a gamble. It’s clear from we’ve seen so far that is true. “Raw” seems to be the in word to describe him. 
 
If that's correct, Pope would of isolated for two weeks?.....

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45 minutes ago, darren1810 said:

At lot of people are out of the habit of going to the game. Take a lot to encourage some from their armchair to watch Stevenage when we are 16th. 

Darren, I agree with the Stevenage comment or if we go on a losing run but can you imagine what it would have been like if we’d have carried on where we’d left if last season

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6 minutes ago, Budgie_2260 said:
1 hour ago, PV1973 said:
One of Popes kids tested positive I believe. 
 
I never got carried away with Clark’s performances when he was here before. Hes clearly got talent and probably one of the best full backs in the league on his day. This season I think has highlighted his defensive failings and his work rate has been nowhere near what it should be in an attacking sense either, disappointing so far. Is that down to Askey though? I don’t think so personally. 
 
Yates makes a fair comment, he hasn’t worked out at other clubs and we’re taking a bit of a gamble. It’s clear from we’ve seen so far that is true. “Raw” seems to be the in word to describe him. 
 

If that's correct, Pope would of isolated for two weeks?.....

I don’t know what the rules are. 

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2 hours ago, Iron Curtain said:

- Clark’s performances has fallen off a cliff

I watching Clark and trying to work out what his job was today. He seemed to be under orders to play a bit further forward and leave the left winger Brophy for someone else to close down.

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Personally I still think it’s too early to consider changing the Manager however, Askey has got to turn around this current run of form. If we go another 3/4 games without winning I may change my mind. Failing to score regularly and not keeping clean sheets is not a recipe for success.

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Tomorrow JA should take a look at himself in the mirror and ask do I know how to put this right.Can I turn this around? Just working harder is not the answer.

Please JA do the right thing.

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I very much hope that you are right Mr Mustard. I felt for John in the post match interview. He's hurting, you could see, as we all are. I just can't understand how we've fallen from Grace so rapidly. The players who extended or renewed their contracts met with almost universal approval. Perhaps a meeting of hearts and minds with Carol, the Manager, staff and players might prove helpful. It's getting tight I think. 

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I have every faith he will and turn things around.

But is ‘turning things around’ enough? Carol needs a manager to progress us on the field, add some excitement to our play and put bums on seats. Will Askey ever do any of that?

Askey came in an steadied the ship, but now we need that ship to start ploughing forward.

Does Carol expect people to part with even more ST money in the coming months, with the fear of more lockdowns and more of Askey at the helm?
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10 hours ago, Playa Amodores said:

Darren, I agree with the Stevenage comment or if we go on a losing run but can you imagine what it would have been like if we’d have carried on where we’d left if last season

Totally agree, possible 8500-10'000 v Crewe, others on Saturdays could of maybe been 6500 plus big away followings. We were on a crest of a wave then, just feel in the current climate so many people are out of the habit ( not just football ) that to be enticed back there has to be something at the end of the rainbow. 

If it's all one big faff which will be understandable only the diehards will go. For Vale to prosper we also have to have the product on the pitch as well as off it. 

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But is ‘turning things around’ enough? Carol needs a manager to progress us on the field, add some excitement to our play and put bums on seats. Will Askey ever do any of that?

Askey came in an steadied the ship, but now we need the ship to start ploughing forward.
Probably not, the priority was stability. Last season we did better than expected, which raised everyone's hopes. Whether we finish in the POs or not could we survive in L1 without a massive re-build? It is not lack of ambition but realism of the time we live in with limited income into the club. As with life at present maybe we have to stand still and hope for the best and write a year off.
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10 minutes ago, Fosse69 said:
30 minutes ago, Vital Spark said:

But is ‘turning things around’ enough? Carol needs a manager to progress us on the field, add some excitement to our play and put bums on seats. Will Askey ever do any of that?

Askey came in an steadied the ship, but now we need the ship to start ploughing forward.

Probably not, the priority was stability. Last season we did better than expected, which raised everyone's hopes. Whether we finish in the POs or not could we survive in L1 without a massive re-build? It is not lack of ambition but realism of the time we live in with limited income into the club. As with life at present maybe we have to stand still and hope for the best and write a year off.

A very balanced view.  Unfortunately hopes were too high for the vast majority to accept your last sentence. From my own point of view, I believe it’s far too soon to go writing the season off.  Clearly some kind of change is required, manager, tactics, players, lucky pants, add your own.

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10 hours ago, Santa said:

I watching Clark and trying to work out what his job was today. He seemed to be under orders to play a bit further forward and leave the left winger Brophy for someone else to close down.

I don’t think that was an instruction. There is no one else to look after him unless you pull Legge out of position which then pulls the whole back 4 across. 

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15 hours ago, Guitar Ray said:

Fair enough Joe but the “inherent, endemic issues” you mention here didn’t appear to be evident at the end of last season, when everyone thought we’d finish in the playoffs had the season continued, and had enough quality to push on this season.

You haven’t spent 19 months moaning.  We haven’t spent 19 months huffing and puffing, creating nothing, and defending this badly.  I seem to recall everyone was satisfied until our recent woes, other than the premature conclusion to last season robbing us of our rightful place in the playoff positions, fully anticipated by the way we were finishing the season.

The problems of this season stem from the delusion that our players were better than they actually are in my opinion.  Also the management and owners probably bought into this notion to some degree, and this combined with the COVID situation, likely influenced our recruitment.  Unfortunately, and in hindsight, this season the chickens have come home to roost.  We still don’t score enough, but now our reliable defending has been called into question and we’re conceding very poor goals.  You can throw in the disruption of injuries and isolations.

Whoever is the manager will have to add a better player or 2 in January and hope whoever comes in makes a difference.

Askey sounds under massive pressure in interview today.  So time will tell I guess.

 

Ah, so there isn't a long term issue of John Askey's Port Vale conceding late goals? I must have been imagining Salford, Scunthorpe, Mansfield, Orient, Macclesfield, Tranmere, Kings Lynn, Newport, and yesterday then!

Clearly not an inherent issue that has existed for over 12 months without a sign of being rectified, despite it occurring at a much higher rate than any other side at this level.

I was saying much earlier in the season that we weren't playing quite as well as many thought and we needed to improve before things turned sour. We were being bailed out by a good keeper who was performing at a level he would, in about 10 games time, stop performing at, as League 2 goalkeepers simply can't sustain the level Brown was at for an entire season.

Was told to shut up as we were winning/drawing games and were in the top 7, so therefore I must be wrong. The League Table never lies. I wasn't satisfied as I thought we looked toothless against Harrogate, and thought Morecambe was a clear sign we were sub-par, but alas, we'd nicked a win against Cheltenham and Exeter, and you can't have concerns about a performance if you win games, so once again I was told to keep schtum.

In the summer I called for the signing of a number 10, as I felt we lacked creativity through the middle last season and were awfully reliant on Dave Worrall for open-play creativity. I felt, and I know he didn't play after January, that Jake Taylor's goals were fundamental to a side who lacked an open play goal threat pre-Christmas (sound familiar?), and different players would need to step up at different times of the season, due to the inconsistencies of League 2 players. 

I also wrote an article on my blog months ago calling for a restructuring of our recruitment system as it is clearly inadequate. 

So, Guitar Ray, I have been pointing out these 'endemic, inherent issues' for a long time. What we're seeing now is those issues biting us in the backside.

You seem to be in the mindset that Vale fans criticising things are only doing so because of results and they're impatient/fickle, and not because some of the issues they've been pointing out for a while are rearing their head. If that is the case, it's a very patronising and sanctimonious view to suppose you can see the real long-term pictures, and the average fan is taken in the wind by the result, unable to see the performances as they are blinded by the Wins and Losses column.

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10 hours ago, soothsayer said:

Personally I still think it’s too early to consider changing the Manager however, Askey has got to turn around this current run of form. If we go another 3/4 games without winning I may change my mind. Failing to score regularly and not keeping clean sheets is not a recipe for success.

We will be in the bottom 2 by that time. Surely 6 defeats in a row is enough to change the manager. Especially given the level of performances 

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