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1 hour ago, Joe B said:

Askey seems insistent that we're playing well and are just being unlucky. I think that's fair defensively (two wonder goals in two games, but we've been lucky in previously with Brown being on fire), but going forward I think we're getting what we deserve; very little.

He mentions in his press conference that we moved the ball well, which we did until the final third of the pitch. After that, we saw overhit crosses, poor final passes, and a safety first mentality of returning the ball backwards, yielding a semi circle of un-penetrative recycling which looks lovely but achieves very little if you need a goal.

The 'eye test' of Vale being an average attacking side is backed up by the data analysis, which has us pegged as the 16th best side for creating chances in League 2. Scott Brown performing heroics from close range has kept our goals conceded rate down, but that is now coming back to bite us as two wonder goals do us in. Good teams create good chances, and let the whimsical nature of luck sort out the rest. We, in my view, haven't done that enough.

This team needs to start creating more open play chances, ASAP. In my view a midfield of Manny and Conlon, with McKirdy right off the striker, is the way to go. Robinson is the best player for link up play, but if he starts then Amoo/Worrall/McKirdy need to get beyond him often and regularly. 

This is a game in which there will be space to get in behind on the break, and they love to pass the ball out (employing a midfielder in a 3 man back line), so lots of opportunities for our very decent press. Therefore, we're probably more suited to tomorrow's game than we are to a low-block side ala Tranmere, Morecambe etc.

However, based on Askey's comments, he seems satisfied with a 433 with a 6 and two 8s in the middle. We'll probably see the same side as Tuesday + Monty for Crookes and Pope for Cullen.

 

Good stuff as always, Joe.

Interesting to see our PPDA against is the highest in the division at 11.95, but our other attacking metrics such as Xg, key passes, chances created do not follow. This shows what we can see - that Vale are neat and tidy in possession (and that teams either don't bother trying to get the ball off us until we get further down the pitch and/or teams are unable to get the ball off us if they try to press) but we come unstuck in the final third due to compactness of opposition and lack of creativity, or a bit of both.

Others have suggested it in this thread, but we need a different approach based on the opposition. It's not the case that we should 'let the opposition worry about us', rather that we find a plan to beat whoever we play depending on their strengths and weaknesses. This is where I worry about Askey in that he's often stubborn with team selection (stick to a winning team etc) or doesn't know how to change our approach in game through tactical tweaks or substitutions. 

Tomorrow will suit us more than recent home games and if we can execute a plan like we did at Exeter, then we may well come away with something. 

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The usual over reaction on here We had plenty of chances today and yes we struggle to put them away but for me it was an improvement on Tuesdays game and an attacking set up from Askey when we could

Facts We have lost three league games on the bounce each by a single goal despite playing a considerable time with ten men in two of the games. We still sit just outside the play offs in 9th. So

THIS ISN'T AN ASKEY OUT POST BUT I AM GOING TO BE CRITICAL.  Sick and tired of this football club. The evidence is fairly irrefutable that John Askey's Port Vale concede in the last minute a

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4 hours ago, jjvale_03 said:

Good stuff as always, Joe.

Interesting to see our PPDA against is the highest in the division at 11.95, but our other attacking metrics such as Xg, key passes, chances created do not follow. This shows what we can see - that Vale are neat and tidy in possession (and that teams either don't bother trying to get the ball off us until we get further down the pitch and/or teams are unable to get the ball off us if they try to press) but we come unstuck in the final third due to compactness of opposition and lack of creativity, or a bit of both.

Others have suggested it in this thread, but we need a different approach based on the opposition. It's not the case that we should 'let the opposition worry about us', rather that we find a plan to beat whoever we play depending on their strengths and weaknesses. This is where I worry about Askey in that he's often stubborn with team selection (stick to a winning team etc) or doesn't know how to change our approach in game through tactical tweaks or substitutions. 

Tomorrow will suit us more than recent home games and if we can execute a plan like we did at Exeter, then we may well come away with something. 

Finally, someone who doesn't give me stick for mentioning stats.

Teams are making a conscious effort to sit deep and concede space, as any scout worth their salt can see we can't break a low block.

What's concerning me is Askey seems to be equating this with teams respecting us, us dominating games, and us playing well, when in my view teams are more than happy to allow us to live under the illusion of 'playing well' as we aimlessly knock the ball about.

Regardless of build up play, good teams create good quality chances and restrict the opponents to low quality chances. Looking at build up and not the chances at the end as an indicator of success is daft, and if that is Askey's view, we may be in a tad of bother.

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A side note; Davids Worrall and Amoo are, according to some metrics, the 7th and 14th best players in the league for creating chances (impressive from Amoo after missing a few games).

Our wings are fine, good even. Centre of the pitch means sorting. Has to be McKirdy at 10 for me.

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1 hour ago, Joe B said:

A side note; Davids Worrall and Amoo are, according to some metrics, the 7th and 14th best players in the league for creating chances (impressive from Amoo after missing a few games).

Our wings are fine, good even. Centre of the pitch means sorting. Has to be McKirdy at 10 for me.

Who would you leave out ?

I have always thought that,with the players we have, if we could only play 12 in the team we would be better suited.

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A side note; Davids Worrall and Amoo are, according to some metrics, the 7th and 14th best players in the league for creating chances (impressive from Amoo after missing a few games).
Our wings are fine, good even. Centre of the pitch means sorting. Has to be McKirdy at 10 for me.
We're always a man short effectively in the final third because askey is welded to his ultra defensive midfield player. If manny replaced Joyce and was given complete licence to go forward as he likes, that may solve the problem
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24 minutes ago, Sandyford_Lion said:

Who would you leave out ?

I have always thought that,with the players we have, if we could only play 12 in the team we would be better suited.

One of the Cm  don’t need burgess Conlon and manny on 

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6 hours ago, Sandyford_Lion said:

Who would you leave out ?

I have always thought that,with the players we have, if we could only play 12 in the team we would be better suited.

Go 4231 with McKirdy in the 10 role, Manny and Conlon sitting. Monty back in at LB and Pope up front. (Although I would like to see Rodders given a proper go up through the middle.)

I think he'll stick to 433 though as Newport should come at us, and if done properly our high press could get us something. As long as Crookes isn't at left back I don't really mind.

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Look forwards to the away games more than home as we seem to play better away ,is it our pitch sapping all the energy out the players ,or is it cause we ain't got the vocal people there the passionate support who are worth a win most games ,I'd say it was the latter . Anyway on to tomorrow where strangely I think we will win and win win well Here's my team . Brown Clark Smith Legge Montano Oyeleke Burgess Amoo Mckirdy Worrall Pope Out go Crookes ,Conlon who seems to have gone backwards and on tues offered zilch as he did v Tranmere second half in my opinion and Cullen who I rate but our style of play with the one forward against certain teams does not suit him Mckirdy in the hole with Pope holding it and Amoo and Worrall getting beyond him theres no need be static tom has enough ability put either through on goal . Let hope we score a one in a million goal UTV.

That's what I would go with, we cannot carry passengers we need a spark in the final third I think that Mckirdy can beat players so straight away that releases others, conlon just doesn't do it often enough for me and apart from Exeter away and first half v Tranmere has generally being putting in a 5 or a 6 performance weekly .

Well we need 7 or 8s today all round 

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Will probably nick a win here as Newport are perfect for how we approach games.

We'll enter into a cycle of 'told you so' and victory lapping from people who previously urged others not to overreact to 1/2/12 games. 

UTV

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Personally i dont think any of us need to panic about things just yet,i do agree that the football we have played so far barring a couple of games has been different and not as effective as last season(maybe teams have sussed us out more),that as people say will be left to Askey to sort out,i will be more interested to see where we are at Christmas and not after 12 games,weird though that we are better off now than at the same stage last season and that is probably because we are drawing less games.

Today is going to be difficult against a team who have won all their home games and had 2wks off but lets go at it and hope them attacking gives us some space,i would happily take 4 points out of the next 2 games,is that possible who knows with Vale.Really need to give McKirdy a run now as he has looked dangerous in last 2 sub appearances.

Onwards and Upwards we hope

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4321 formation is less ambitious than what we currently play. So are you hoping to keep a tight ship with 2 in front of the back 4? My point earlier was that when we attack in our current formation, we should look like: 4141. However at present the 2 in centre mid don’t get beyond or support the forward. I would play McKirdy as a 10.

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When we played 4-2-3-1 in the early part of the 12/13 promotion season, it was some of the most positive, enjoyable football I've ever seen from a Vale side.

The central midfield of Morsy and Shuker/Burge allowed Loft the freedom to roam from left back, Vincent and Myrie-Williams as inverted wingers terrorized defenders, everything Pope hit ended up in the net and Dodds linked up with everyone in the number 10 role

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Need to stop Matty Dolan receiving the ball as part of their back three today.

Also need to clamp down on their wing backs.

Joyce not playing is a miss as Scott Twine is a good player in the advanced midfielder position.

Very tough challenge. These are, in every aspect, a good League 2 side. 

They also don't press much, which is not good for us.

 

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