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1 hour ago, Jacko51 said:

Joe, I understand your fascination with stats, I share it to some extent, but out of interest, to what extent do these stats take account of the randomness of refereeing decisions. 

You are too young to have seen Everton avoid relegation at the expense of Bolton when a Bolton "goal" which had clearly crossed the line was not given.   How did Leicester win the Prem when they were outplayed in so many games in terms of possession and chances? 

Stats have their place but they are not the bible.  Random chance plays a part in football and the suggestion that it evens out is just not true - have a look at the number of times Man United get the benefit of "random chance"!

I fully agree; especially at this level, luck and chance play a large role.

We can't control it. What we can do, is do better in the things we can control. Notably, creating good chances for the forwards to score and then restricting the opposition from doing the same.

The stats suggest we are currently doing the above at a mid-table rate. Now, things might start falling for us and we might start picking up the points we should have done. But, whilst we perform whilst we are, we're leaving far too much in the hands of chance.

Newport created a bucketload of chances yesterday, which increased the probability they'd eventually get a lucky break (which they did). In certain respects, you make (or at least impact) your own luck, and we're not helping ourselves at all.

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The usual over reaction on here We had plenty of chances today and yes we struggle to put them away but for me it was an improvement on Tuesdays game and an attacking set up from Askey when we could

Facts We have lost three league games on the bounce each by a single goal despite playing a considerable time with ten men in two of the games. We still sit just outside the play offs in 9th. So

THIS ISN'T AN ASKEY OUT POST BUT I AM GOING TO BE CRITICAL.  Sick and tired of this football club. The evidence is fairly irrefutable that John Askey's Port Vale concede in the last minute a

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I wonder if it's time to try a 3-5-2 formation. We don't lose a body in midfield and we get that extra player up top which we so badly need. Playing off Pope will instantly make the likes of Cullen and Rodney a bigger threat. For the time being we can use Montano and Clark as wing-backs. It means Amoo missing out (he's injured a lot anyway to be fair) and Worrall going into midfield if he's to retain his place.

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Something has to change. We can't keep playing with one up top, it's not working and we are in danger of sliding down the league big time. No point trying to find a place for McKirdy because clearly Askey doesn't quite fancy him despite him being our most creative player potentially.

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3 hours ago, werstayinup said:

Didnt you say to us at the time that no way would he sign for vale?

Yes and I was more surprised than anyone when he did. I like the lad and really hope he succeeds here and I hear he is enjoying it at Vale. Lets hope we start enjoying his performances soon. 

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No, that's not true at all. 
Crewe played superb stuff in a 433 last season and got promoted and are now sitting decently in League 1. Swindon also played a 433 and walked the title. Plymouth finished 3rd and played 4231.
This is amongst the most reductive "2+2 =5" arguments I've seen in a while
 

But it simply isn’t working for us.
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Do you not think that I want Vale to get promotion? Who said I was writing off the season? Keep Askey - we may get promotion. Sack Askey - we may get promotion. No one has a crystal ball. Bringing in a new manager has risks. It’s about managing the risks. 
I think sometimes people do not have a realistic view of things. When considering the best way to run a team you need a measured (no emotion attached) approach. 
Sacking a manager does give instant success or success at all.
So Vital Spark, what would you do?

Personally, I think it’s time for a change. If the owners are happy with grinding out the odd win from dire performances then that’s fine. But in terms of attracting back fans and achieving success and excitement then I don’t feel we have the right man at the helm.

But that’s just my opinion.

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40 minutes ago, MBE said:

It was interesting to hear Danny Cowley on EFL talking about stats. He said it was Ok to take something from out but only one really matters.

In stark contrast to us he said this plan is to get the ball quickly to your skills players and is not interested in playing for possession at the back... pointless possession he called it.

Yes,he was referring to the fact that Crewe had 70% possession and lost 4-1.You can pass it around at the back all you want but it doesn't help you get nearer the final third.

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9 minutes ago, For Us All said:

Yes,he was referring to the fact that Crewe had 70% possession and lost 4-1.You can pass it around at the back all you want but it doesn't help you get nearer the final third.

Fulham being a prime example, when you move up a league. You do need to be clinical and efficient with the possession. 

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Who then? 

As an owner of a club it’s about making a judgement. Looking at pros and cons of sacking/remaining with the current manager. Looking at pros and cons of the new manager based on who’s available, how long is left in the season etc.

I feel that some people think that a new manager = success. And when you add the ‘emotional side’ to your point, it can, to some, sound really appealing. Like ‘excitement’, ‘success’ etc.

As I’m sure you are aware, sacking a manager can have massive implications. Sometimes good, sometimes bad.

My opinion, at the moment, with just over a quarter of the season gone, is let Askey and Kevin try and sort it.

However, don’t feel like I want mediocrity and don’t want success - I do want success. I’m not blind to what’s happening at the moment but feel a reasoned approach is necessary.

When Carol makes a decision about the manager, she won’t make it with her ‘fans’ head on, she will remove all of the attached emotion and make a reasoned, strategic decision. One that is in the club’s interest.

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  1. 12 minutes ago, Diego Maradona said:

    Who then? 

    As an owner of a club it’s about making a judgement. Looking at pros and cons of sacking/remaining with the current manager. Looking at pros and cons of the new manager based on who’s available, how long is left in the season etc.

    I feel that some people think that a new manager = success. And when you add the ‘emotional side’ to your point, it can, to some, sound really appealing. Like ‘excitement’, ‘success’ etc.

    As I’m sure you are aware, sacking a manager can have massive implications. Sometimes good, sometimes bad.

    My opinion, at the moment, with just over a quarter of the season gone, is let Askey and Kevin try and sort it.

    However, don’t feel like I want mediocrity and don’t want success - I do want success. I’m not blind to what’s happening at the moment but feel a reasoned approach is necessary.

    When Carol makes a decision about the manager, she won’t make it with her ‘fans’ head on, she will remove all of the attached emotion and make a reasoned, strategic decision. One that is in the club’s interest.

    Agree about the effect of chopping and changing managers.  We were in the top half of League One when folk on here were fed up with Rob Page and Smurf effectively pushed him out.  Since then we've had four different managers and Askey is the only one who has given the slightest sign that he knows what he's doing. 

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Just now, Aguar61 said:

That's the problem Jacki,he's only showing the slightest of signs that he knows what he's doing!

I put it that way to stop people like you jumping on me for just saying he knows what he's doing.  I was also pointing out that our record with managerial appointments prior to Askey was abysmal.  In all cases fans cried for the manager to go and in all cases we ended up worse off.

The reason we didn't make the play offs last year was nowt to do with Askey and everything to do with covid.  The bloke deserves more time to see if he can do it despite covid this season.

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1 hour ago, soothsayer said:

Reality check:

Table at the same point last season. More defeats but more points than last season!

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People keep saying this. But we lost 2 of our last 17, do you see this happening this time around ? 

Last season is irrelevant it's the here and now and sadly we are mediocre. Yesterday was galling but the reality was they created bucket loads of chances. 

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People keep saying this. But we lost 2 of our last 17, do you see this happening this time around ? 
Last season is irrelevant it's the here and now and sadly we are mediocre. Yesterday was galling but the reality was they created bucket loads of chances. 

To be honest didn’t see it happening last year that we would lose just 2 in 17 ( be very surprised if anyone else did either ) - so you never know
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Just now, osprey said:


To be honest didn’t see it happening last year that we would lose just 2 in 17 ( be very surprised if anyone else did either ) - so you never know

Of course mate none of us do. 

We grew as a team though last year. There's no growing with this team as it's pretty much the same one seemingly going stale. 

Would of been better if we'd come 12th last season because people like myself wouldn't of expected so much. 

And Carol was quoted as saying we won't be 8th again 😂

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3 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

The reason we didn't make the play offs last year was nowt to do with Askey and everything to do with covid.  

Not sure I agree.

This season already we’ve conceded 4 goals after the 90th minute of league games. In the last week that has cost us 4 points.

Last season we conceded in or after the 90th minute in games against Salford, Orient, Mansfield, Scunthorpe and dropped 8 points as a result. 

I would suggest that it is happening too frequently to chalk up to pure chance.

Askey does deserve time to turn it round but he needs to do so quickly.
 

 

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