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With having a busy week at work, I’ve only just watched the full game against Cambridge.

Generally, thought we looked comfortable in possession and on the odd occasion managed to get the ball out wide to make a decent cross into the box. Maybe on another day Monty would have scored the header and Theo’s shot not blocked on the line and Whitehead would have scored his volley to score the goal of the season. All if and buts - I know.

However, I feel at times we are a bit pedestrian around the opposition box. Defenders and defences thrive when the forward play is slow and predictable. Need more movement, pace around their box as well as getting down the wing more. Someone from midfield needs to make runs beyond our forward in order to give their defenders something to think about. Also, any runs beyond the forward, runs down the wing need to be met with quicker ‘forward’ passes. We certainly have the players to do this, especially when everyone is fit.

Like Morecambe, Cambridge, at times, defended really deep with two banks of 4. It is difficult to break down. This is why comments I’ve made above need implementing.

I still feel optimistic about our chances this season after watching this game. We played a decent Cambridge side and matched them apart from finishing on the night.

Surely soon chances will start going in and our confidence will grow. Let’s hope it starts today. 

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For those who criticise Vale,Oldham fans are very impressed with the Vale team,many stating they're the best team that they have played so far.Latics forum is the place for the praise.

He's got a busy day tomorrow.  Washing Askeys car apparently. 😂

I am just glad that Tyler's weekend hasn't been ruined. 😉

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3 minutes ago, Diego Maradona said:

With having a busy week at work, I’ve only just watched the full game against Cambridge.

Generally, thought we looked comfortable in possession and on the odd occasion managed to get the ball out wide to make a decent cross into the box. Maybe on another day Monty would have scored the header and Theo’s shot not blocked on the line and Whitehead would have scored his volley to score the goal of the season. All if and buts - I know.

However, I feel at times we are a bit pedestrian around the opposition box. Defenders and defences thrive when the forward play is slow and predictable. Need more movement, pace around their box as well as getting down the wing more. Someone from midfield needs to make runs beyond our forward in order to give their defenders something to think about. Also, any runs beyond the forward, runs down the wing need to be met with quicker ‘forward’ passes. We certainly have the players to do this, especially when everyone is fit.

Like Morecambe, Cambridge, at times, defended really deep with two banks of 4. It is difficult to break down. This is why comments I’ve made above need implementing.

I still feel optimistic about our chances this season after watching this game. We played a decent Cambridge side and matched them apart from finishing on the night.

Surely soon chances will start going in and our confidence will grow. Let’s hope it starts today. 

UTV

IMO that’s the biggest difference between  leagues 1 and 2 and the championship and the prem. speed.

theres lots of good players in the lower leagues who, if they could do what they do quicker, would be in the top two leagues.

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5 minutes ago, Diego Maradona said:

However, I feel at times we are a bit pedestrian around the opposition box. Defenders and defences thrive when the forward play is slow and predictable. Need more movement, pace around their box as well as getting down the wing more. Someone from midfield needs to make runs beyond our forward in order to give their defenders something to think about. Also, any runs beyond the forward, runs down the wing need to be met with quicker ‘forward’ passes. We certainly have the players to do this, especially when everyone is fit.

Completely agree. I think the player we have best suited to getting into those positions is Conlon, but he seems to prefer to be on the ball rather than running beyond it. 

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Cant see anything other than a loss today under the <ovf censored> show askey- team at bottom going sit back agaisnt us 1:0 oldham stinks of it. Our team is devoid of pace and creativity to break through a team with 11 behind the ball

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I think Whitehead has both put a shift in in midfield and got himself into a number of goalscoring positions, perhaps more so than any other Vale player in the last couple of games. He’s skied / scuffed / dribbled them to the keeper so far but if that’s part of a process of getting match fit  he might start sticking them away which would be an important contribution.

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It's that bit of flair and guile that we currently lack in the final third. Most teams do at our level which is why players like Eagles, Dodds (in his prime), etc. are so well regarded. We miss Taylor. If we can get more out of our 2 attacking midfield players and wingers we'll do better because all our central strikers are proven scorers at this level (Cullen, Pope & Theo) but they can't score unless we give them the ball in the right areas and burst a blood vessel getting close to them and lending them some support instead of leaving them isolated and outnumbered. Theo has done ok of late but we have missed Pope's ability to keep possession and hold up the ball.

When did a midfielder last score off a header from a cross? Or consistently run past our centre forward and get into the box? We have to do more in that final third - play a bit higher up the pitch and tell these forward players to go at their men and commit to getting in and around the box far more often. Forwards and not backwards and sideways. It's easy on paper but harder in reality. I'm sure Askey knows where we are lacking at present.

I'd love to see Amoo and Oyeleke back in the team asap. Both could give us something different and the competition should shake up one or two.

Fingers crossed for today. Team news in half an hour.

 

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We need a win desperately today. The problem with this season is that it’s entirely possible that it could finish like the last one if the situation doesn’t improve ie on a PPG basis or similar. Therefore every game is important, and whereas before we’ve heard the “give Askey time, he’ll sort it out” we can’t say for certain that all 46 fixtures will be fulfilled. 

In terms of line-up, I don’t for one minute think he’ll do this but I’d go:-

Brown

Brisley-Legge-Smith

Clark-Worrall-Joyce-Conlon-Monty

Theo-Pope

This assumes that Amoo, McKirdy and Manny aren’t fit. The full-backs should play in advanced positions and get balls into the box at every opportunity, and Worrall should be the advanced midfielder. Rodney then to come on 2nd half to be a ball carrier.

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Football can be complex, but the basic tenets remain. Good teams:

 

1. Have an organised defensive shape

2. Have runners going beyond the opposition back line when in possession.

 

We have number 1, but not number 2. I don't know how we solve this. Amoo will help. 

 

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19 minutes ago, Joe B said:

Football can be complex, but the basic tenets remain. Good teams:

 

1. Have an organised defensive shape

2. Have runners going beyond the opposition back line when in possession.

 

We have number 1, but not number 2. I don't know how we solve this. Amoo will help. 

 

Totally agree. He’ll be starting today. 

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 A much stronger 11 that. Finally whitehead is out of the side. Looks much more attaching with Monty back at left back (where he is better) and amoo back as well. Happy with the 11 let’s hope we use that bench if we need to. Hope burgess shows what he did last season 

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The two changes I would have made,certainly won't be criticising JA if the game doesn't go our way. Time for Burgess to step up and show the form from last year which made him such a good important part of our midfield. If we can build on that 1st half performance at Cambridge creating a few more chances I will be happy. 

Hopefully Amoo can hold up and start to play himself into some form quickly.

 

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1 hour ago, Valiant62 said:

I think Whitehead has both put a shift in in midfield and got himself into a number of goalscoring positions, perhaps more so than any other Vale player in the last couple of games. He’s skied / scuffed / dribbled them to the keeper so far but if that’s part of a process of getting match fit  he might start sticking them away which would be an important contribution.

We’re what 10 games into the season? He and the others should be fit. 

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Instead of when is Vale going to score, we could have one for the unlucky with injury Amoo.  When will he come off with an injury 😜

Hoping he lasts a good 60 minutes and shows what he does best and all the injuries are past him.  He has been so unlucky at Vale.

Hope a hungry to score Vale team have turned up today and a winning run can start again.

Come on Vale.

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Not sure Burgess is the answer based on the games he’s played this season. As Conlon doesn’t seem to want to get into the box, I’m sure Burgess’s job will be to do just that.

More than happy to be proved wrong about Burgess.

Would also expect Monty and Clarke to get down the wing.

As Amoo is unlikely to play a full game, either Rodney on as a straight swap or push Monty on and bring Fitz on.

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