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56 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

I heard a guy on Radio Stoke last night saying if it hadn’t been for Brown we wouldn’t have won a match. I think it’s fair to say that most clubs would struggle to win without a goalkeeper!  If it hadn’t been for Mullens last night we’d have won 1-0. Daft to say stuff like that. 

It’s quite clear what he means... 

if we didn’t have the best keeper in the league we wouldn’t have as many points as we do. 

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It's a fair point in most games Brown is having to work harder than the opposition goalie. We are not creating enough good goalscoring chances. If we are to start scoring 2 goals in a game, not an unreasonable objective, we need to be creating 5/6 decent chances.

It’s quite clear what he means... 
if we didn’t have the best keeper in the league we wouldn’t have as many points as we do. 
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7 hours ago, valiant_593 said:

It’s quite clear what he means... 

if we didn’t have the best keeper in the league we wouldn’t have as many points as we do. 

Still a daft comment to make though. Another keeper may have saved the ones Brown didn’t, it’s all swings and roundabouts and what ifs and more often than not we focus on things that didn’t happen or might have happened instead of things that do. 

 

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2 hours ago, PV1973 said:

Still a daft comment to make though. Another keeper may have saved the ones Brown didn’t, it’s all swings and roundabouts and what ifs and more often than not we focus on things that didn’t happen or might have happened instead of things that do. 

 

I don’t think it is a daft comment. It’s like Liverpool saying how many more points they got last season because of Alison in nets. If we had an average league 2 keeper we would have had less points. There is no question about that. Not many keepers makes saves as brown did against Exeter to keep the win and then a good penalty save against Salford. I think brown gains us 10+ points a season 

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10 hours ago, valiant_593 said:

It’s quite clear what he means... 

if we didn’t have the best keeper in the league we wouldn’t have as many points as we do. 

But we do have the best keeper in the league just as Cambridge currently have the best striker. They are both simply doing what they get paid for. I don’t see the fact that we have the best keeper is a reason to criticise the team. And to be honest, from what I’ve seen of Visser, if Brown wasn’t there I doubt we’d be worse off. 

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1 minute ago, Jacko51 said:

But we do have the best keeper in the league just as Cambridge currently have the best striker. They are both simply doing what they get paid for. I don’t see the fact that we have the best keeper is a reason to criticise the team. And to be honest, from what I’ve seen of Visser, if Brown wasn’t there I doubt we’d be worse off. 

I agree, but I do see understand what he meant. With an average keeper we wouldn’t have the points tally we do 

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17 minutes ago, valiant_593 said:

I agree, but I do see understand what he meant. With an average keeper we wouldn’t have the points tally we do 

And if Cambridge had an average striker they wouldn’t be top of the league. And if my auntie had a todger she’d be my uncle. If if if. 

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15 hours ago, Vale at home said:

I Do Agree . You Talk a Lot of common sense .   I also would like to see 2 striker. I do hope we can get  a  Good result on Saturday . Ag Oldham .  It would get Vale back on Track .  Come on The Vale . 

Id be extremely surprised to see 1 more striker when we already have 4 to chose from when fit.

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1 hour ago, valiant_593 said:

I don’t think it is a daft comment. It’s like Liverpool saying how many more points they got last season because of Alison in nets. If we had an average league 2 keeper we would have had less points. There is no question about that. Not many keepers makes saves as brown did against Exeter to keep the win and then a good penalty save against Salford. I think brown gains us 10+ points a season 

Of course there’s a question about it. How do you know another keeper wouldn’t have made the same saves or not? With another keeper in goal the games would pan out differently anyway because no same player would make the same decisions that happened during a game. You could swing the argument the other way and say if we had a better keeper in he might have saved the Cambridge and morecambe penos. 

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46 minutes ago, PV1973 said:

How do you know another keeper wouldn’t have made the same saves or not? 

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5 hours ago, PV1973 said:

Of course there’s a question about it. How do you know another keeper wouldn’t have made the same saves or not? With another keeper in goal the games would pan out differently anyway because no same player would make the same decisions that happened during a game. You could swing the argument the other way and say if we had a better keeper in he might have saved the Cambridge and morecambe penos. 

What better keeper would we get in league 2?

the point the person on the radio made is that without Scott brown who is the best keeper in this division we wouldn’t have beaten Exeter or Salford. I’d be surprised if another keeper at this level pulls off the save brown made at Exeter. Of course the game could  / would go completely differently but that’s not the point. The point is that like last season Scott brown has and will continue to earn us points. That’s what top goalkeepers do. If we had an average keeper we wouldn’t have been so close last season. 

Just think back to how bad our recent keepers have been and how many points they actually lost us. Put one of them in browns place and we do well to get mid table last season and have 3/4 less points this season. 

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6 hours ago, Jacko51 said:

And if Cambridge had an average striker they wouldn’t be top of the league. And if my auntie had a todger she’d be my uncle. If if if. 

Dosent make what the guy said any less true no matter what anecdote you make. 

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I apologise if I’m making points that others have made but it’s been a busy week.

I feel that we need to take an overview of the situation.

Yes, we haven’t hit form yet but surely there’s no way that with the quality of players that we have that they won’t gel together and hit some decent form. 

At the moment I’m remaining optimistic about the season and feel once everyone is back we’ll push on. Even before then.

I understand the concerns (creating/scoring etc.) but I still have faith in Askey.

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2 hours ago, valiant_593 said:

Dosent make what the guy said any less true no matter what anecdote you make. 

But that's my point - it isn't "true" because no one knows what we would have done with Visser in goal instead of Brown.  Remember he saved three penalties in the shoot out against Tranmere.  He is also an excellent keeper.

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