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The expectancy coming into this season is adding much unneeded pressure to a relatively steady start.  Just seen this stat on Twitter: After Matchday 7 19/20: 9 points (W2 D3 L2) 8 For, 10 A

Some cold hard facts... I'm not putting forward a defence of Askey here, because I do think he is slow to make changes and we need a plan B. However, the fact are: After 7 games  (3 short of

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19 hours ago, osprey said:


Don’t think we would get anyone better than Askey at the moment

I still think its stupid for people to want askey out at the moment,lose another 2 then who knows as its a results business and the owners have backed him to get at LEAST the play offs this season......what does intrigue me is why you think we cant get better than Askey??

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We weren't outplayed or out fought last night which is why Askey was pleased with the performance. However we were out scored and that is what really counts.  Cambridge have a striker in Mullins who has scored 10 goals already this season and looks like he is scoring for fun.  Askey is going for a tight defence and hoping to nick a goal as we lack a prolific striker. We cant complain if we leak a goal a game, even with Brown on fire that's a good average for a League 2 defence. This means we need to score 2 goals a game to win, not outrageous if we are to get promoted. Dont see that happening with 1 striker. If Theo played every game this season would expect him to score 15 goals max, he scored 13 last season so that leaves a hell of alot of goals to be scored elsewhere. Got to be 2 up front for me, we aren't creating enough chances and when we do 2 centre halfs snuff out our lone striker. 

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I think it's entirely fair to be slightly disappointed with the start; after the end to the season and the claims from the owner that '8th won't happen again', alongside all of the WNE stuff, the mass hiring of backroom/commercial staff, expectations were at a record high for the Vale fanbase.

Unfortunately, several things haven't worked:

  • Injuries have struck to key players (Amoo and Gibbo) which has robbed the side of direct pace. We now struggle to break lines and progress to the final third without 10 men being sat deep
  • None of the 4 strikers have hit the ground running, and are all a similar ability, and as a consequence, Askey doesn't know his best front three
  • Worrall has had a dip in form; 3 assists is a decent return but we can't deny that his all action displays of late 2019/early 2020 have not been on show so far. He was our primary creator last year, with most of our chances going through him, so if he isn't quite at his outstanding levels, we're going to see a dip in creative output
  • The recruitment as a whole haven't, yet, made a concrete impact on the first 11. There's no denying that all the players we have brought in are upgrades on who has departed, but bar Rodney in the first two games, most have struggled to stand out when given minutes. This can be attributed to a lot of things, and will hopefully improve.

There's no need to panic, yet. The issues are all eminently fixable, with good coaching. This is a test for Askey though. He had a bit of a free hit last year, a rebuild year in which expectations were low. This year, the fans expected top 7. I said in the summer, never in my lifetime have fans been so expectant of the playoffs. We didn't expect anything in 12/13. We haven't been used to genuine optimism for 2 decades due to the crooks in the boardroom.

Some posters on here have managed to say 'don't look at the league table after 7 games' but also said 'look at the position of all our opponents' in the same thread, which is fairly contradictory. 

Calls for Askey's head are premature and daft, but there is also no denying that some of our flaws are a result of Askey's quirks as a manager; obstinate refusal to drill anything bar 433, inertia regarding substitutions, a less than convincing recruitment record despite backing from owners.

I do completely understand fans' frustrations and don't think it's fair to have a go when, after all the talk this summer, we have started (and look) a mid-table outfit who will struggle to score. You can make this point fairly, and still hope and (Want Need) expect improvement moving forward. 

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9 hours ago, valiant_593 said:

Second half was crap pal. First half we played some decent stuff and deserved to be level. 2nd half started playing long balls, didn’t make substitutions when needed and oh conceded 2 goals and created next to nothing. No idea how you can think that 2nd half is good enough 

Did I say it was good enough? Pal.

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19 minutes ago, The man in the pub said:

We weren't outplayed or out fought last night which is why Askey was pleased with the performance. However we were out scored and that is what really counts.  Cambridge have a striker in Mullins who has scored 10 goals already this season and looks like he is scoring for fun.  Askey is going for a tight defence and hoping to nick a goal as we lack a prolific striker. We cant complain if we leak a goal a game, even with Brown on fire that's a good average for a League 2 defence. This means we need to score 2 goals a game to win, not outrageous if we are to get promoted. Dont see that happening with 1 striker. If Theo played every game this season would expect him to score 15 goals max, he scored 13 last season so that leaves a hell of alot of goals to be scored elsewhere. Got to be 2 up front for me, we aren't creating enough chances and when we do 2 centre halfs snuff out our lone striker. 

I Do Agree . You Talk a Lot of common sense .   I also would like to see 2 striker. I do hope we can get  a  Good result on Saturday . Ag Oldham .  It would get Vale back on Track .  Come on The Vale . 

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48 minutes ago, The man in the pub said:

We weren't outplayed or out fought last night which is why Askey was pleased with the performance. However we were out scored and that is what really counts.  Cambridge have a striker in Mullins who has scored 10 goals already this season and looks like he is scoring for fun. 

Exactly.  Mullins is going through one of those phases where if he fell over in the box the ball would deflect off his backside into the net. 

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Not sure if this is correct or not but somebody told me today we actually have more points now than at the same stage last season??

We had 9 points at this stage last season, 2 wins, 3 draws 2 defeats. We only picked up 4 points from the next 4 games also. So couple of wins in the next 4 and we would be well ahead of last seasons marker.
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11 minutes ago, valefan16 said:


We had 9 points at this stage last season, 2 wins, 3 draws 2 defeats. We only picked up 4 points from the next 4 games also. So couple of wins in the next 4 and we would be well ahead of last seasons marker.

Every season is different though. For example are we likely to lose 2 in about 15 like we did last time and go on a lengthy unbeaten run as per the curtailed season.

All conjecture. You can't get away from the fact that we have 4 points from 15 and are way below the standards we are/ were capable of. 

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vis Worrall, it is not that he's been crap. Just not up to the high standards he set last season. Which you could say for a couple. However you look at it we have been disappointing so far given the pre-season dealings we had. Not reaching for the suicide pill, and plenty of time to turn things around. But I think it is reasonable to say that so far we have been a bit below par.

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40 minutes ago, toyahw said:

vis Worrall, it is not that he's been crap. Just not up to the high standards he set last season. Which you could say for a couple. However you look at it we have been disappointing so far given the pre-season dealings we had. Not reaching for the suicide pill, and plenty of time to turn things around. But I think it is reasonable to say that so far we have been a bit below par.

I would disagree with "a bit below par" but not some of the suicidal Askey Out stuff I've read and heard.

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Our general play is, at times more than decent,  for L2 standards,  unfortunately there are also too many  times when collectively we resort to extended periods of playing aimless balls to isolated forwards. When we do advance in to threatening areas we are being undone by a combination of poor quality, but more crucially poor decision making. In all our games where we make any number of chances, the glaring observation is when we compare the times that we make the opposition goalkeeper work, compared to how many times that Brown has bailed us out, even in games that we've got a result in and that's with our much lauded defence. 

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I heard a guy on Radio Stoke last night saying if it hadn’t been for Brown we wouldn’t have won a match. I think it’s fair to say that most clubs would struggle to win without a goalkeeper!  If it hadn’t been for Mullens last night we’d have won 1-0. Daft to say stuff like that. 

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