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30 minutes ago, philmpv said:

So this is the third or fourth time already this season that people have said how toothless up top. All with different strikers, including one whom most of you cry is the best striker in the league and another who seems to be able to score for any other team he plays for. Can we now agree that the issue is not the strikers, but the service. All hoofball again today. When will we learn?

This is absolutely bang on the money. No incisive creativity whatsoever. 

How many times was Mckirdy fed the ball when he came on. Pretty much zero. 

Worrying trend. 

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You’ve both got that wrong, I’m afraid. I’ve just found it in my back garden.... I live in Manchester. I think Askey told him to score in the Cerlisle goal and thought he meant Brunton Park.

It’s a pity Pope isn’t as good as he thinks he is 

Do you really think playing two in midfield and allowing Guy the freedom of the park as a result did not contribute to our defeat??

I know us fans were asking for 442 but you cant play 442 when the midfield 2 is burgess and Whitehead. Also askey should have had carlise watched prior to this and seen there strength is in midfield and picked a side to try keep them quiet. That toure ran rings round us and callum guy was spreading passes about the pitch like pirlo used too. 

As for our squad run through our side that played today and apart from Pope or Robinson you cant see them scoring. Mckirdy can score a few goals but is no where near fit amoo can score a few but is out injured Cullen can score double figures but gets no service and wasnt even on the bench today.

Joyce Burgess oyeleke Whitehead none of them are going score many between them. We are missing jake Taylor's goals or someone from midfield that will get around 10 a season. 

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I think askey needs to have a long hard talk with all of our midfielders and defenders. Why can we not just keep the ball rather than lumping it time and time again, which only results in possession being lost and never winning the second ball. If that means we don't score in some games, so be it, but surely it's preferable to conceding possession time and time again. After all, if the oppo doesn't have the ball, they can't score and we play on our terms. At times today we looked a proper schoolboy team, with all players running towards the ball rather than anticipating where it will end up. Embarrassing.

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13 minutes ago, Warren said:

I didn't think Pope's penalty was that bad by the way; the keeper has made a good save. 

His reaction to the rebound looked dreadful unless I'm too harsh. Even when he saved it I was convinced he'd tap into the net.

Like I said maybe I'm a tad harsh 

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4 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

So we had two chances and only one on target. Does that not suggest that we didn’t create enough?  They had 16 efforts on goal. Does that not suggest that our midfield was giving their’s far too much space??

Yes I’ve said that. Look back. 

We also missed an open goal (a much bigger chance than one of their shots on target) and a penalty. Again score them we win. Regardless off the formation if tom pope scores that penalty we win. 

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For me the key was 6, yes 6, changes! Too much disruption. I would have tinkered after last week but Crookes for Brisley???  I had kittens every time the ball went near him, especially as the game went on and there's Sproey telling us how good he is and the rest are krap! Joyce would be the first name on my team sheet just for the glue he gives us and then why Conlon was left out I don't know. Popey in, perhaps after Tuesday but him and Robinson with the rookie?

As soon as I saw the team I thought it was <ovf censored> or bust and it was bust, I'm afraid. JA should have held his nerve and kept to 433 ut tweaked his starters.....oh well back to the drawing board BUT Askey Out? Give us a break.....pathetic.

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4 minutes ago, blackdog said:

So it was Browns fault letting the goal in that won the game by your reasoning. 

In the whole game we had one open goal (The pen) and a good chance, thats not good enough at home, we seriously lack in creativity and it's up to Askey to find the formula, listening to their manager in the week he knew EXACTLY what they needed to do and they did it very well.

No. Because the game should have been won by then. I agree that’s nowhere near good enough and askey needs to find then solution. Today we were awful as we were in the previous two league matches but Should have been 2-0 up. Again for me the formation wasn’t the issue at all. The issue was the change is personnel. Unless Conlon and Joyce weren’t 100% fit I just don’t see how they didn’t start. 

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1 minute ago, darren1810 said:

His reaction to the rebound looked dreadful unless I'm too harsh. Even when he saved it I was convinced he'd tap into the net.

Like I said maybe I'm a tad harsh 

Nope, there players wanted it more. Was it Whitehead who didnt get involved with the rebound and got bullied from the ball

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3 minutes ago, darren1810 said:

His reaction to the rebound looked dreadful unless I'm too harsh. Even when he saved it I was convinced he'd tap into the net.

Like I said maybe I'm a tad harsh 

I think it needed to be blasted into the roof of the net and not tapped in. I think the rebound was as a good a chance as the penalty itself.

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6 minutes ago, darren1810 said:

You very gentle on the lad there Cambridge. 

That shot must of gone onto the training pitches or Dimensions 

You’ve both got that wrong, I’m afraid. I’ve just found it in my back garden.... I live in Manchester. I think Askey told him to score in the Cerlisle goal and thought he meant Brunton Park.

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8 minutes ago, pensioner said:

That is it in a nut shell - You cant miss an header from 6 yds and a penalty and expect any points. Everyone in football knows if you go a goal up at Vale Park the Vale crack and roll over - we've been doing it for years and years. If we score first we become a magic team - dont score and we look crap.

All teams miss chances. It makes life more difficult when they are your only two chances. 

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There were so many individual howlers. 

Rodney header. 

Whitehead shot. ( Which was a good opportunity )

Penalty and rebound.

Legge back pass which seems to of got lost in the dirge.

Terrible day but surely a backlash next week, although we said that after Morecambe.

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12 minutes ago, Platty's Tassels said:

Why did we look so good v Wigan and so,so,so poor today? Burgess looks nothing compared to last season. Mckirdy? I thought he scored important goals that count?..He did <ovf censored> all today

He probably got better service at Carlisle than he got today.

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5 minutes ago, darren1810 said:

There were so many individual howlers. 

Rodney header. 

Whitehead shot. ( Which was a good opportunity )

Penalty and rebound.

Legge back pass which seems to of got lost in the dirge.

Terrible day but surely a backlash next week, although we said that after Morecambe.

There won't be a backlash though. Askey doesn't seem to be able to get them going and put a bit of fire in the bellies.

If we score first we'll win a lot of games this season. But as soon as we went 1 down I thought we needed a minor miracle just to take a point from this game. Why is it like this against Carlisle? Carl-<ovf censored>-isle? They will be lucky to finish top 15 this season, and they and their manager have just come to Vale Park and made us all look like right dick heads.

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15 minutes ago, Platty's Tassels said:

Why did we look so good v Wigan and so,so,so poor today? Burgess looks nothing compared to last season. Mckirdy? I thought he scored important goals that count?..He did <ovf censored> all today

People read far too much into the Wigan game they put out a poor, largely inexperienced team. People saw what they wanted to see but the reality was that Wigan side would struggle in league 2. 

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