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23 minutes ago, darren1810 said:

Not so sure it's too many i think it can be put down to the centre halves.

Can only recall Van Dijk and his partner Gomez/Matip. I just think when you look at the comparitive benches they have lagged behind City a bit.

City have had Laporte and Aguero barely kick a ball all season.

For 3 seasons the Liverpool team has picked itself, they barely had injuries.

I think stats will back me up that Salah for example has barely missed a single game, compare that to regular injuries for Aguero, Kane for Spurs and they have got away lightly until the horrendous challenge by Pickford put paid to Van Dijk.

City bench last night 

Walker, Foden, Mendy, Torres, Fernandinho

Liverpool last night

Oxlade, Jones, Tmisikas, Origi and the two Williams 

Cities squad is far stronger I agree. I actually think the fact that the likes of salah and mane playing every week for 3 years is now coming back to bite them they certainly look fatigued. 
 

I do think the Cb injuries are huge though. Not only was VVD the best Cb in the league it meant that Henderson and fabinho have had to fill in there, messing up their midfield. It’s they’re on fault really they let lovren go and didn’t replace him so we’re short at the back. 
 

Difference there with city is they replaced them. Diaz is brilliant, him and stones look class together and now Laporte is having to settle for left back. They have struggled up top but as they’re conceding so few goals I can’t say they missed aguero that much. I think Spurs will miss kane massively though. 
 

 

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Fair points.

Liverpool have a fantastic first XI when everyone is fit and playing to form. No doubt about that. But they don't have a huge pool of talent if they get a few injuries. City of course has more money and a bigger squad. Their bench is frightening when everyone is fit and they have tended to bring in 1-2 and freshen up the squad over the years. United have done the same.

The Liverpool lads look tired and a bit weary, as you say. 

They also rely on the high press and playing at fast pace - and with so many matches in such a short space of time due to Covid I think it's impacted on their ability to keep it up game after game after game.

A bit like the Vale. 😉

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1 hour ago, WV said:

Years of being dodgy? Conceded less than a goal a game last season and only 23 the year before. Yes they were worse than usual last season which is why Liverpool won the league but considering how good you claimed Liverpool to be citeh only conceded 2 more goals than Liverpool in the league. 

I meant dodgy in regards to trying to settle on a centre-back partnership once Kompany retired. Think about how many different centre-backs they've had and tried over the years. The likes of Mangala, Savic, Otamendi, Nastasic, Demichelis were all poor to shocking, and even Stones was a car crash most of the time before this season. It's the reason why they have continued to fall short in the Champions League under Guardiola, though that may change this season.

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Liverpool need a big clearout in the summer. I can see at least one of the front three being sold, possibly two. Firmino is clearly past his best, and Salah, although obviously world-class still on his day, he has also peaked and I'd consider selling him while you can still got a large amount for him. Liverpool should enter the race to sign Sancho and go with a front three of Sancho, Mane and Jota next season. How Origi and Shaqiri are still at the club I have no idea, especially the former. He's got a few important goals here and there but he's Sheffield United level. Oxlade-Chamberlain should also be on the to go list along with a few others. That guy is never going to fulfill his potential.

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3 hours ago, darren1810 said:

Or how about neither of them. James Justin. Everything the modern day footballer should be. 

He's been brilliant this season, as has Matty Cash, and should definitely be in consideration. One thing England do have is some wonderful full-backs when you consider we can select from Alexander-Arnold, James, Walker, Trippier, Justin, Cash, Wan-Bissaka, Walker-Peters, Lamptey, Chilwell, Saka, Shaw, Targett... Even Cresswell is playing well for West Ham this season.

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Shocking from Alisson today. City absolutely deserved to win but 4-1 flattered them. But as an Englishman you can't help but be excited about Foden's potential. He could be our best player since Gazza, only he has a much better mentality than Gascoigne. If Southgate can't get a tune out of the likes of Kane, Foden, Grealish and Sterling in the summer then he should be ashamed of himself.

As for Liverpool, they've clearly hit a brick wall both mentally and physically. I think some major changes are needed by Klopp once the season has ended. I can see a whole host of players being sold - At least one of the front three if not two, and then the likes of Oxlade-Chamberlain, Wijnaldum, Shaqiri, Origi etc. 

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Yeah 4-1 flattered city.  Young Foden looks a right talent, just hope we don't do the usual England thing of expecting too much.

When you think City have KbB and Aguero to come back it is over.  Interesting thing for me is that City have moved up a gear by sorting their defense out. Take note Vale.

The competition is weak also this season.  

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58 minutes ago, valiant_593 said:

Foden should be first name in Southgates team sheet. Brilliant player and only 20!

We're not going to be great at the back regardless of who we select, so we might as well just use our strengths as a squad and attack teams. On paper we have one of the strongest attacks in world football. This would be something like my own personal 11 right now, and I think it looks a pretty good side if used correctly.

Pickford

Trippier

Stones

Mings

Shaw

Rice

Mount

Foden

Grealish

Sterling

Kane

Some excellent options on the bench in the likes of Sancho, Rashford, Saka and Alexander-Arnold etc.

Mings gets in because he's left-footed. His partner at Villa at Konsa would also be in my thoughts, as would Matty Cash. I went with Trippier largely based on the fact that Alexander-Arnold has been in poor form this season, James hasn't been consistent at Chelsea and is still learning, and Walker has too many brain farts. Foden and Grealish are both fantastic technically and would cause any side all sorts of problems. Sterling offers the pace up top, while Kane is Kane, when fit. A lot of people won't choose Pickford based on club form but I genuinely can't remember him making a mistake in an England shirt, and he generally saves his better performances for our national team. Henderson will become the undisputed number 1 in the near future though, for both England and United.

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1 hour ago, valiant_593 said:

Foden should be first name in Southgates team sheet. Brilliant player and only 20!

Should be, but you can guarantee that Southgate will pick Mason Mount and leave Foden (and also Grealish) out come the first Euros game v Croatia.

Will be Henderson and Rice in midfield.

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1 hour ago, The Kalamazoo Kid said:

Should be, but you can guarantee that Southgate will pick Mason Mount and leave Foden (and also Grealish) out come the first Euros game v Croatia.

Will be Henderson and Rice in midfield.

Mount is a very good player and gets undeserved flack from some quarters. Technically he's not as good as Foden or Grealish, or even Barkley for that matter. But he has a goal in him and he's fantastic at pressing, which most managers in the modern game love. Henderson also. For me it should be one of Rice or Phillips for the holding role, Foden and then either Mount, Barkley or Henderson. Curtis Jones will soon be in the mix too, though this summer will come a bit too soon for him.

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I still wouldn’t go with Pickford, I just don’t rate him. I agree he’s been better for England but he’s just not that good (at all) and is a mistake waiting to happen. I think I’d go:

Pope

Trippier. Stones. McGuire. Shaw. 
Rice. Mount. 
Foden. Grealish. Sterling. 
Kane. 
 

Mad how strong our side is in terms of attacking options, sancho and rashford on the bench. I imagine Henderson will start in place or grealish or foden and then mount further forward, probably rashford as well. 

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