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Hi all,

This hasn't happened yet on this thread but this is politics and it gets emotional so can I remind you of the personal abuse rules.

Attack the argument not the person and please respect the fact that people are allowed to have differing views from you.

If there's a post appears on here that you think breaks our rules please report it.

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Without wishing to take sides, what Ally has done is no different to what many previously staunch Labour voters in the city did at the last election.  That said, I firmly believe that as an elected re

As it stands, as a councillor, I may, as you correctly point out, vote against my party if I feel it goes against the interests of my constituents.  I don't need to switch my party allegiances to do t

She signed up to represent Labour and the policies they had. If she wanted to be on the council as an individual, she had that choice. So no you are wrong. Resign then put the seat up for re election.

1 hour ago, JRC said:

The individual is what you elect. The party they are a member of is irrelevant. 

This is a bit like the fact that tomatoes are a fruit.

It may be a fact but in reality it’s widely accepted that it just doesn’t work like that and I would suggest the vast majority of people that voted her in did so in the basis that she represented the labour values.

After all... Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit... wisdom is not putting one in a fruit salad.

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Ally Simcock.

Didn't she defect from the Supporters Club citing illness only to rock up as Normans fans liason bod?

Seems her beliefs and principles are to serve Ally Simcock.  I wonder what personal benefit there is for her in her latest defection.

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6 minutes ago, philpvfc said:

People voted for her because she represented Labour. I do not agree with anyone jumping ship and retaining their position as an MP. They should do it come election time or step down as an MP.

I think she wishes she was an MP.

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1 hour ago, philpvfc said:

People voted for her because she represented Labour. I do not agree with anyone jumping ship and retaining their position as an MP. They should do it come election time or step down as an MP.

Agreed Phil, anyone in an elected office who stood under the umbrella of a political party only to change mid-term should really step down and seek re-election.

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Ally Simcock.
Didn't she defect from the Supporters Club citing illness only to rock up as Normans fans liason bod?
Seems her beliefs and principles are to serve Ally Simcock.  I wonder what personal benefit there is for her in her latest defection.
I believe she was offered a cabinet position. Which means more money, more power, more limelight

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7 minutes ago, Smallthorne Dog said:

I believe she was offered a cabinet position. Which means more money, more power, more limelight

What a shock!

Sadly politics is full of Ally Simcocks.  Folks who can be easily turned with a small personal incentive.

She has form even at Port Vale Supporters Club level.  So its no surprise.  I wonder if Dave Falstead was her mentor.

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We wouldn’t have gotten rid of Norman in Spring 19 if she was still at the SC. Not a chance. We needed Mark Porter.

So in a roundabout way her nest feathering defection at the time actually inadvertently did us a favour.

She actually sent B&G a grovelling email when it looked like the Synectics deal was a go...

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3 hours ago, JRC said:

The individual is what you elect. The party they are a member of is irrelevant. 

What you are saying makes no sense.  The individual is voted in on their political viewpoint.   For example, are you likely to vote for someone who is a member of the EDL on the basis that you like the look of them, without actually sharing those political views yourself?

Personality really only enters the equation when we’re considering the PM.  The rest from there down are pretty much faceless and unknown to the average man in the street.

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45 minutes ago, Doha said:

We wouldn’t have gotten rid of Norman in Spring 19 if she was still at the SC. Not a chance. We needed Mark Porter.

So in a roundabout way her nest feathering defection at the time actually inadvertently did us a favour.

She actually sent B&G a grovelling email when it looked like the Synectics deal was a go...

I would never have believed it.

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1 hour ago, Wrex said:

Mark Porter should be on the council. He'd get stuff done!

Mark Porter is brave lad and has the courage of his convictions hence he will never make a politician!

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2 hours ago, Guitar Ray said:

What you are saying makes no sense.  The individual is voted in on their political viewpoint.   For example, are you likely to vote for someone who is a member of the EDL on the basis that you like the look of them, without actually sharing those political views yourself?

Personality really only enters the equation when we’re considering the PM.  The rest from there down are pretty much faceless and unknown to the average man in the street.

Legally is 100% true. Reflects a general lack of interest in the UK if people are only voting based on the personality of the PM. For the most parts politicians below MPs live in the local community so its not that hard to find out what they are like as people. The problem is a lot of people turn even local elections into a referendum on the Prime Minister in power at that particular time. What people should be doing is finding out who the best people are to deal with local issues. Ironically the competence and integrity of a politician is probably more important at a local than national level. A bog standard MP has little influence on policy whereas a Councillor  has far more influence on local spending decisions.

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2 hours ago, philpvfc said:

Maybe that’s why she switched, to get away from the raving looney party. 

She went to work with Norman so I reckon raving loonies are her bag, so you are probably right.  She will love your mate Boris and his puppet master Cummings.

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