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10 hours ago, RailwayRowdy said:

Friendlies are completely pointless. Nothing, but nothing, should be read into them. 

The only thing they may be useful for is match fitness. But seeing as virtually no one plays anywhere near 90 minutes in these games, even that point is disputable.

You can’t help but to form an opinion from these matches but rarely, if ever, does anything you witness in these games have any bearing on what will happen when the real stuff starts. 

And now as fans are not allowed to attend, even the added revenue isn’t a reason to stage them. 

Poor Vale performance today, but it means and counts for nothing. 

In my opinion there is nothing to be gained from these games, so why bother, 

 

There’s lots to be gained from friendlys... otherwise nobody would have them!

nothing like match practice whether it be for 45 minutes or 90 it’s much more valuable than training. 

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0,000 please Barry.

Having watched the game back again its a game we could easily have got a draw from, with Pope and Amoo missing pretty guilt edge chances. They clearly had a little more quality. Both teams set up

I won’t be judging players in pre-season matches, however I am looking forward to getting a glimpse of Rodney. All the sounds coming out of the club suggest he is one to watch this season. JA said tod

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All in all a decent run out......Gibbons/Smith/Legge/Montano still the first choice back four with Mills right back cover and Brisley centre back cover and Crookes played well at centre back but is fourth choice and more likely to see action as left back cover....Visser did well and could be a dependable back up for Brown...perhaps next game Cambell-Gordon will get some playing time.

Midfield and again it is as the season ended with Burgess/Joyce/Conlon as first choice and some handy extra cover from the versatile Whitehead pushing for a place....Trickett-Smith did well and young Hurst looks a busy player while trialist Beckford could have something to offer.

Upfront Worrall is nailed on to start probably along with Amoo but Browne had the better game when all said and done....Pope (who like Legge must be in their last season) might struggle with two games a week indeed with a full ninety minutes and perhaps could be considered a super sub.....liked the look of Rodney pace and power and workrate only a bit raw as yet.......as many have said we need a first choice striker signing up because even if the absent Bradbury turns out to be a lower league Harry Kane both Pope and given the injury record Cullen are kinda part-time players and to go into the season without a reliable first choice striker and just a couple of young unproven forwards is a risk....so maybe someone like say Dennis could the sort of proven goalscorer Askey needs to attract.

In summary a decent work out against a good team and the left back from Macc training with us got constantly done be their speed demon but the squad looks balanced with some decent competition for places.....who knows because of their age and U21 status maybe Askey will offer terms to Bradbury and Beckford and considering the injury records of Oyeleke and Cullen it makes sense because if they again miss the majority of the season through injuries and niggles both could be out of the door at the end of the season....but just say that Askey were to offer say Visser a contract and get say someone of the calibre of Dennis then it's been a good summer and the squad even without the unlikely return of Clark and Taylor on loan looks capable of strong season certainly top ten again and play off contenders.

 

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Thought most of the ‘first half’ team gave a decent account of themselves (first pre-season friendly etc.) Visser looked ok as back up. Thought Monty went walkabout on a couple of occasions. I thought Blackpool saw that as our weakness as they attacked down their right side on a number of occasions. I think Askey needs to decide what he wants from his left back. Either A - someone who is comfortable on the ball, can find a pass and decent going forward but lacks positioning or ‘B’ almost the opposite in Crookes. Didn’t think Beckford could get himself into the game. Would probably need another look?

Thought that of the second half side (not assessing the team as a whole as they’ve not really played together and it’s not really about that anyway) Mills played well - looked comfortable on the ball, could put in a decent cross and could be relied upon to be in a position to defend. I can forgive one mistake in a friendly. Burgess looked busy and looked like good solid player. Whitehead did ok. Rodney did ok. Thought that Blackpool saw much more of the ball second half so definitely need to see a lot of these lads again.

Overall, good workout and good for players to start to get their touch back etc. Apart from Visser, not sure about other trial it’s and I don’t think Askey is either.

Look forward to Tuesday.

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I'm not sure what we gained from playing Pope for the first 45 minutes, other than seeing if the keeper could find him from goal kicks. Any match fitness he gains from the friendlies will be lost by the time he can play.

I would have thought that there was more to gain by taking a longer look at one of the trialist strikers and playing him for 15/20 minutes in the second half when Whitehead and Rodney were on as he hasn't played with either before and to try out a plan b.

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If you put burgess and rodney in that first half team instead of pope and beckford we would of seen a different result same could be said for Hamilton with Blackpool. But the idea of friendlies is a run out not the result. I personally think playing higher league teams and having a result like yesterday is more beneficial than playing Newcastle town
With friendlies, teams always play "stronger" opposition and "weaker" opposition.

Stonger opposition helps the team with defensive shape and weaker teams help fine tune attacking shape/movement.

With non league not starting up again until October we've been forced into only playing higher opposition!

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Having watched the game back again its a game we could easily have got a draw from, with Pope and Amoo missing pretty guilt edge chances. They clearly had a little more quality.

Both teams set up the same way, although Blackpool played with 3 attackers whereas we really used one striker and 2 wingers. Maybe Askey is looking to refine that with his comments on Rodney being able to play in a 3 but to one side when he signed them. Northampton played with a 3 during the playoffs where the three were inter-changeable to a degree. If he is it may count against Pope a little as you can't really see him rotating out on to the wing very often.

Both teams had a good press. We found it particularly difficult to work the ball out from the back because of this and so did they, although they did find more ways to overcome the problem than we did. We did seem to find a partial solution in the last 10 minutes and for me Rodney was onside from a good long ball played up to him by Mills near the end. Mills also play some good diagonal balls into the box, which he used to do pretty regularly for Morecombe.  

Alex Hurst reminded me a little of Luke Hannatt playing on the wing as he looked like a midfield player out of position. Didn't think he did the job badly but I'm sure that's neither where he wants to play nor where he plays best.

There seems to be a consensus we played better first half. Watching it back I'm not so sure as Vizzer made more saves than Brown. First 15 and last 10 of the second half I felt we were better, there was a period just after they changed the side when they were clearly on top. 

There seemed to be an effort to rotate the midfield 3 a little in each half with the player in the holding role getting further forward and someone else dropping into the role. Maybe just how things were working out at particular times or it may be something we have worked on to be able to be less predictable, which I think is a criticism of how we were last season at times. Thought Burgess was more influential when he swapped with Trickett-Smith and played on the right of a midfield 3 for a spell in the last 10 minutes. At times he was a little innocuous on the left of the three.

Surprising stat, although something I thought was the case; tackles, headers won and interceptions second half:

Alex Hurst 3

Scott Burgess 3

Danny Whitehead 3

Dan Trickett-Smith 11

Watching it first time around I thought DTS had won a lot of the ball. He was actually quite aggressive at times here which surprised me. In the Newcastle game last season he should some pleasing touches and the pass through for the goal from Browne that wasn't given was pretty special but he tended to just disappear from games. If I was picking a midfield 3 based purely on this game he would be in it. We aren't and I'd currently go with Conlon (thought he was the best midfielder first half) and two from Oyeleke, Burgess and Joyce if all were fit. I thought the midfield pressing was pretty good both halves and all 6 players involved did put a lot of work in and was probably the outstanding feature of the Vale game.

For me what we most do need to do is to find a way to counteract teams doing to us what we do to them in terms of a press. When they were closing down the options for the goalkeeper at the back we didn't really seem to have a way of moving the ball forward. Our strength going forward is we can play the ball pretty quickly through the midfield. Blackpool essentially stopped the ball getting from defense into the midfield. If teams are high pressing we need to work on getting balls into the areas behind them down the channels as we do have a bit of pace up front with Amoo, Rodney, Worral and Cullen and Browne to a degree. Second time around I thought we did better than watching it live. I think Blackpool have enough quality to get into the top 10 in league one, not sure what the bookies odd are.

 

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Only watched the last 25 mins thought on the basis of that what I saw we were second best and were lucky not concede a third goal .

Only a friendly not the end of the world that we lost .

Manny Oyeleke needs to strengthen his mental strength we need all players to be fit and raring to go ,folk who work in manual work face up to and continue to have to work through the pain barrier .

Cannot comment on first 65 mins as did not watch it .

I hear Pope missed a penalty ,no big deal if you going miss everything miss it all in pre season .

A trialist should not be judged on one game ,is he great around the other players ,does he know that what performance he puts in are not to his liking etc ,does he believe in himself and does he want to help Vale through the leagues .

A hungry player is a far better player have than a experienced old head who is just seeing out his footballing days .

Vale will do well this season because Carol and Kevin have created a together club and let’s face it there isn’t many folk who would do what Carol does with the helping of all the areas less fortunate folk.

In my opinion because of what she does her karma will create good karma for Vale .

Losing to Blackpool in a friendly is hardly anything worry about especially with them already having played 2 games prior I believe so there sharpness would be so much greater than Vales and proved to be 

UTV 

 

 

 

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20 hours ago, Burslem Academicals said:

All in all a decent run out......Gibbons/Smith/Legge/Montano still the first choice back four with Mills right back cover and Brisley centre back cover and Crookes played well at centre back but is fourth choice and more likely to see action as left back cover....Visser did well and could be a dependable back up for Brown...perhaps next game Cambell-Gordon will get some playing time.

Midfield and again it is as the season ended with Burgess/Joyce/Conlon as first choice and some handy extra cover from the versatile Whitehead pushing for a place....Trickett-Smith did well and young Hurst looks a busy player while trialist Beckford could have something to offer.

Upfront Worrall is nailed on to start probably along with Amoo but Browne had the better game when all said and done....Pope (who like Legge must be in their last season) might struggle with two games a week indeed with a full ninety minutes and perhaps could be considered a super sub.....liked the look of Rodney pace and power and workrate only a bit raw as yet.......as many have said we need a first choice striker signing up because even if the absent Bradbury turns out to be a lower league Harry Kane both Pope and given the injury record Cullen are kinda part-time players and to go into the season without a reliable first choice striker and just a couple of young unproven forwards is a risk....so maybe someone like say Dennis could the sort of proven goalscorer Askey needs to attract.

In summary a decent work out against a good team and the left back from Macc training with us got constantly done be their speed demon but the squad looks balanced with some decent competition for places.....who knows because of their age and U21 status maybe Askey will offer terms to Bradbury and Beckford and considering the injury records of Oyeleke and Cullen it makes sense because if they again miss the majority of the season through injuries and niggles both could be out of the door at the end of the season....but just say that Askey were to offer say Visser a contract and get say someone of the calibre of Dennis then it's been a good summer and the squad even without the unlikely return of Clark and Taylor on loan looks capable of strong season certainly top ten again and play off contenders.

 

My gut feeling is that Crookes won’t be 4th choice by the end of the season. Yes, it’s only 45 mins in the first friendly, however it brought back memories of when he looked a class act playing CH when he first joined on loan. 

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19 hours ago, Diego Maradona said:

Thought most of the ‘first half’ team gave a decent account of themselves (first pre-season friendly etc.) Visser looked ok as back up. Thought Monty went walkabout on a couple of occasions. I thought Blackpool saw that as our weakness as they attacked down their right side on a number of occasions. I think Askey needs to decide what he wants from his left back. Either A - someone who is comfortable on the ball, can find a pass and decent going forward but lacks positioning or ‘B’ almost the opposite in Crookes. Didn’t think Beckford could get himself into the game. Would probably need another look?

Thought that of the second half side (not assessing the team as a whole as they’ve not really played together and it’s not really about that anyway) Mills played well - looked comfortable on the ball, could put in a decent cross and could be relied upon to be in a position to defend. I can forgive one mistake in a friendly. Burgess looked busy and looked like good solid player. Whitehead did ok. Rodney did ok. Thought that Blackpool saw much more of the ball second half so definitely need to see a lot of these lads again.

Overall, good workout and good for players to start to get their touch back etc. Apart from Visser, not sure about other trial it’s and I don’t think Askey is either.

Look forward to Tuesday.

The way Askey sets up, we need attacking fullbacks to give us creativity. Monty is clearly first choice, however I would like to see competition for him. If Campbell-Gordon isn’t ready, then we need to bring in someone who is. 

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1 hour ago, Boslem's Brazil said:

The way Askey sets up, we need attacking fullbacks to give us creativity. Monty is clearly first choice, however I would like to see competition for him. If Campbell-Gordon isn’t ready, then we need to bring in someone who is. 

 

1 hour ago, dishydave said:

I would imagine that Mills is going to be cover for the left back position

Alex Hurst spent most of last season playing at left back and a fair part of the year before. I would expect him to get at least a half playing there over the next 2 friendlies. Seemed a little odd not to try him there against Blackpool if he has no interest in signing Fitzpatrick. From the pictures of training Campbell-Gordon looks taller and skinnier than last season. He may have had a growth spurt which often slows a player's development for 12 month. I think they mentioned playing Hurst on the left of a front 3 was more of an experiment to see how he would do. When he played further forward it was part of a midfield 4, which is slightly different to playing in a front 3.

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3 hours ago, Boslem's Brazil said:

My gut feeling is that Crookes won’t be 4th choice by the end of the season. Yes, it’s only 45 mins in the first friendly, however it brought back memories of when he looked a class act playing CH when he first joined on loan. 

I genuinely can't recall this ? Thought he has always played as a make do left back for us . 

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24 minutes ago, darren1810 said:

I genuinely can't recall this ? Thought he has always played as a make do left back for us . 

Yes, he played on the left as part of a back 3 and looked really solid and composed on the ball. He then got shifted to LB when we changed to 4 at the back. His natural position is CH, so I’m looking forward to seeing him there this season. 

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38 minutes ago, Boslem's Brazil said:

Yes, he played on the left as part of a back 3 and looked really solid and composed on the ball. He then got shifted to LB when we changed to 4 at the back. His natural position is CH, so I’m looking forward to seeing him there this season. 

Aspin played with a back three in his last couple of games (as someone rightly pointed out to me on another post) and Askey stuck with that for the first 3 or 4 games he was in charge for. Probably his first 5 games were all as a left side centrehalf.

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My gut feeling is that Crookes won’t be 4th choice by the end of the season. Yes, it’s only 45 mins in the first friendly, however it brought back memories of when he looked a class act playing CH when he first joined on loan. 
Christ, how far our judgment of players has fallen if we're describing crookes as classy! Glover was classy, as was michael walsh. Crookes was steady, at best, in his most encouraging appearances!
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2 hours ago, philmpv said:
10 hours ago, Boslem said:
My gut feeling is that Crookes won’t be 4th choice by the end of the season. Yes, it’s only 45 mins in the first friendly, however it brought back memories of when he looked a class act playing CH when he first joined on loan. 

Christ, how far our judgment of players has fallen if we're describing crookes as classy! Glover was classy, as was michael walsh. Crookes was steady, at best, in his most encouraging appearances!

We are playing in league 2 in case you hadn’t noticed Phil. 

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